History of the Armenian Genocide

[KanadaHye]

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What Armanen's trying to say is that for most Armenians, it strikes a raw nerve to see Armenians living Turkey among Turks after everything that happened to us and the way they are still treated there (even if it might have gotten better). The entire diaspora is assimilating but to see Armenians assimilate into Turks of all things leaves a foul taste in the mouths of most Armenians.

What we fail to understand is that the Bolsahyes do not consider themselves part of the diaspora because they were in Constantinople long before the genocide, for generations long. Before Armenia's independence in 1918, Tiflis and Constantinople were the de facto capitals of Armenian intellectuals for Eastern Armenia and Western Armenia respectively. However, seeing that Bolsahyes started leaving Istanbul in the 60s, 70s, the numbers have quickly diminished and it won't take long for 70.000 Armenians to drown in a sea of 70 million Turks/Kurds. What many Armenians would like to see is Armenians finally leaving Istanbul and settling in Armenia. This is not happening on a large scale but there are people I know who have developed strong bonds with the homeland (Google: Melisa Boz). Others are leaving for the West, like most diasporans in the region, which actually is an even faster way to assimilate but "at least they don't assimilate into Turks".

Istanbul is a major metropolitan city, that's like asking someone from Toronto or New York to leave and move to some crappy little city. A lot can be said about Turkey but the fact is if you take away the government and the surrounding conflict, and it's some great real estate.

Istanbul is also rated as one of the top 10 cities forecast to be hit by an earthquake

[Federate]

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Well put. I did goodle Melissa and just got results of her on facebook. Is there something specific on her you could link me to? Also, she may want to change her last name, B*z is not a good lastname to have in Armenian.

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php/11376-Armenia-and-the-information-war?p=288882&highlight=melisa#post288882

And I agree LOL. Such an unfortunate last name to have in Armenia.

[KanadaHye]

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We all know this. The point is that turkey committed Genocide, denies it to this day, and these 'Armenians' are still living in this country and are more turkish in culture than Armenian in culture.

So why should they leave the land that their ancestors lived on? France has 500,000 Armenians who are more French than Armenian and look how the French betrayed Armenians in Cilicia. The British deceived us. We pretty much got screwed by everyone.

[bell-the-cat]

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Dear Armanen,

I am positively surprised, that you support my unorthodox opinion.

That shows how little you know. The internet is a haven for the likes of you, so obviously your little hatefest of "unorthodox" opinions are in the majority HERE. But based on opinions I've heard in real life, and what Armenians from Turkey have told me, your views are probably in the majority in real life amongst Armenians. Doubtless in your head you have extended your opinion into a complete ranking of the bad to good to very best sort of "Armenians" depending on where they originated from.

[Armanen]

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So why should they leave the land that their ancestors lived on? France has 500,000 Armenians who are more French than Armenian and look how the French betrayed Armenians in Cilicia. The British deceived us. We pretty much got screwed by everyone.

Did you gloss over what Federate wrote? The French did not attempt to kill off the Armenian people, and then deny it for 90 + years. The French do not put political, social, and psychological constrants on what an Armenian can do and say. These are obvious things which I had expected you to know already.

[ArmSurvival]

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I was born in Istanbul/Turkey and live since 42 years in Munic/Germany. I feel ashamed to be an armenian from turkey, because they speak everywhere in the publicity and even in their own houses only turkish. Most of them didn't know even armenian language.
They are such a way assimilate that there is no difference between a turk or a "turkisch-armenian".
I myself hate the turks like the "pest", becauce they did during the whole history so many bad things including several genocide against armenian population. Turks didn't respekt armenians and use the word "ermeni" as a swear word. Turks every year celebrate the erstwhile mass murderer. In Istanbul are many street names with erstwhile mass murderer. Turks are still proud of that they have murdered so many armenians.
In consideration of all this negative aspects how is it posible to love as an turkish-armenian the turks and the turkish culture?
In my eyes turkish-armenians aren't pure armenians they are pseudo turks, of course not all of them, there are some exceptions.

You put into words exactly what I was thinking/feeling this afternoon after hearing 10-15 different "Armenians" speaking Turkish to one another. I totally agree with you. I've met a minority of bolsahyes who agree as well. I'm glad to see there are more bolsahyes with your attitude.

I agree that many Armenians living in Turkey have embraced Turkish culture but it's no different than Armenians living in America that have embraced American culture or those in the Middle East who have embraced Arabic culture. I find it's a necessary evil for survival as long as they don't forget their Armenian culture and identity.

I agree with you to a certain extent, but how is it "survival" when bolsahyes come to America and Canada and their household language is Turkish?

[KanadaHye]

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Did you gloss over what Federate wrote? The French did not attempt to kill off the Armenian people, and then deny it for 90 + years. The French do not put political, social, and psychological constrants on what an Armenian can do and say. These are obvious things which I had expected you to know already.

Actually it was worse. The French did to the Armenians what the Americans did to the Iraqis. They made promises which they didn't keep. They threw their muscle around but didn't allocate a sufficient amount of military resources to protect Armenian interests in Cilicia. They turned around and conspired with the Kemalists.

[KanadaHye]

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I agree with you to a certain extent, but how is it "survival" when bolsahyes come to America and Canada and their household language is Turkish?

Same way it's survival when Armenians in America only know how to speak English. Psychologically if you want to succeed, you have to blend in as much as possible. The difference being an Armenian in Turkey is more like an African American in America. You're already born with a disability.

[Armanen]

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Actually it was worse. The French did to the Armenians what the Americans did to the Iraqis. They made promises which they didn't keep. They threw their muscle around but didn't allocate a sufficient amount of military resources to protect Armenian interests in Cilicia. They turned around and conspired with the Kemalists.

Are you really trying to tell me that broken promises are worse than mass killings?

[KanadaHye]

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Are you really trying to tell me that broken promises are worse than mass killings?

It's like having the power to lead sheep to slaughter knowing what their fate will be.