History of the Armenian Genocide

[Eddo211]

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This was really convincing to me, the missing link and was exactly the answer I was looking for all these years. Now I�m a changed man, I changed my mind about the whole thing and can go on with my life. thank you!

I never said it is not a possibility, just that it is a conspiracy theory and that you can't use is as proof and still maintain credibility in today's society. I keep that in the backburner myself never dismissing it but also never using it as the facts. No doubt there are secret societies (influential men's club) but to what extent are their powers and controls are up for debate.

As far as European involvement well we all know we were backstabbed but to what extent was their knowledge and involvement in AG (other than the elements of what became Nazi Germany's...Bagdad railroad project).
Just look at today and the normalization process between Turkey and Armenia, we see the same. Both countries do not want normalization but eventually both have no choice or any say in the matter.
Relations must be established! Energy corridors must be established! This is where its headed the way I see it and more in line with how we humans behave.

Ancient Astronaut theory: I actually give credit to this theory and there are much hard evidence that earth was visited by aliens light years more advanced than what we are today and that they may have been responsible for our giant leap in technology in such a short time (we went from caves to pyramids in a blink of earths geological time) DNA experiments on humans (the Arc of the covenant is an alien device), etc...now to what extend their involvements were/are (are they still here?) in our affairs is another story if we want to underestimate the abilities of ancient men. Again this is a theory that cannot be used as absolute proof and maintain credibility without getting ridiculed.

[KanadaHye]

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The movie Avatar is based on the same scenario.... being on land that someone else wants for their own personal interest and are willing to kill an entire race to achieve their goals. This is why the Russians were complaining that the plot for the movie was stolen from a Soviet era book.

Ancient Astronaut theory: I actually give credit to this theory and there are much hard evidence that earth was visited by aliens light years more advanced than what we are today and that they may have been responsible for our giant leap in technology in such a short time (we went from caves to pyramids in a blink of earths geological time) DNA experiments on humans (the Arc of the covenant is an alien device), etc...now to what extend their involvements were/are (are they still here?) in our affairs is another story if we want to underestimate the abilities of ancient men. Again this is a theory that cannot be used as absolute proof and maintain credibility without getting ridiculed.

I believe in this theory as well. This is why the J3ws had to bomb Japan, those aliens were getting too advanced.

[KanadaHye]

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Interesting read... A paper on

Visions of Germany in Turkey:
Legitimizing German Imperialist Penetration of the Ottoman Empire


By: Malte Fuhrmann, Free University Berlin

http://users.ox.ac.uk/~oaces/confere...e_Fuhrmann.pdf


The Germans, who had remained virtuous in spite of the tantalizing aspects of modernity, and the as yet uncorrupted, predominately ethnically Turk rural population. In the words of pro-imperialist author Alfred Korte,

"One does not get to know the Turkish people in Constantinople, where the confluence of the most diverse elements and the fungus of decay have entrenched themselves beyond hope of extermination to corrupt both the purity of his blood and the vigor of his character. But almost everyone who has met the core of this people in the provinces comes to respect and love the Turks, feel comtempt for the Greeks, and to hate and despise the Armenians."

[Armanen]

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Korte was doubtful a Christian otherwise he would not have uttered such garbage against the Christian Armenians and Greeks, especially in favor of the muslim turks.

[KanadaHye]

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Korte was doubtful a Christian otherwise he would not have uttered such garbage against the Christian Armenians and Greeks, especially in favor of the muslim turks.

Alfred and Gustav Körte
A real side benefit of the Berlin–Baghdad Railroad.

The site of Gordion was “discovered” in November, 1893, when the German Classicist Alfred Körte [1] visited a location on the Sangarios (modern Sakarya) river where engineers working on the Berlin–Baghdad Railroad had come across the remains of an ancient settlement. Körte identified the site as Gordion primarily on the basis of what ancient Greek and Latin writers had to say about the old Phrygian capital. Seven years later, in 1900, he returned to Gordion with his brother Gustav to carry out a single, three-month season of excavation, among the first controlled field projects to take place in central Anatolia. On the Citadel Mound they reached levels that were perhaps as early as the sixth century BCE. Of the roughly 85 burial tumuli known in the immediate vicinity of Gordion, the brothers opened five, known today as K (Körte) I–V. Tumulus K-III, now dated to the first half of the eighth century BCE, was especially rich in furnishings and co-authored a 1904 treatise describing their findings, titled Gordion: Ergebnisse der Ausgrabung im Jahre 1900.

[1] Alfred Körte (September 5, 1866 - September 6, 1946) was a German classical philologist who was a native of Berlin. He was a younger brother to surgeon Werner Körte (1853-1937) and archaeologist Gustav Körte (1852-1917). In 1896 he married Frieda Gropius, the daughter of the architect Martin Gropius (1824-1880). Alfred Körte was a leading expert in the study of Greek comedies, and is remembered for his translation and editorial work of papyrus fragments left by the dramatist Menander.






Lots of Ottoman era stuff on this site:

http://maviboncuk.blogspot.com/2009/...tav-korte.html

[hrai]

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Korte was doubtful a Christian otherwise he would not have uttered such garbage against the Christian Armenians and Greeks, especially in favor of the muslim turks.

Armanen, that's a dangerous supposition to make. Throughout the centuries different Christian sects have discriminated and eliminated other Christian sects as heretics and have even favoured other religions. Read about the Fourth Crusade, by Roman Catholic nations, which laid waste to Polis and basically set the scene for the turk victories by weakening Christianity's eastern bastions. F**kers.

On my sh*t list the Catholic Church pushes Islam for first place.

[Hayayrun]

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Turkish music and tv is nothing more than American music and tv with Turkish words. Turkish culture is stolen from Armenians and Greeks and every other culture that lived in Anatolia. There are also a million Turkish citizens that have Armenian blood from children that were orphaned and stolen and raised by Turks. Turkey isn't even a Turkish state, it's a fake country that transformed to fool its own people. Turks should be ashamed to support their government that lies to little Turkish children about their heritage.

I agree with you my dear, but don't forget "to be ashamed" is a human being feeling, in my eyes most of turks aren't human beings.

[Armanen]

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True. His culture is Christian but he may not have been a practicing Christian.

[Haykakan]

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Here is a great look at the stages of the Armenian genocide and undeniable proof that it was government planned and executed. You should also note that this man is a Turkish scholor and the reason why i am against generalization and labeling all turcks-xxxs-martians.. as evile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ3zo0ikLu8

[Haykakan]

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THE 1909 MASSACRES OF ARMENIANS IN ADANA

Hurriyet Daily News, Turkey
March 24 2016

William Armstrong

In the Ruins: The 1909 Massacres of Armenians in Adana' by Zabel
Yessayan (AIWA, $20, 262 pages)

In the spring of 1909, Zabel Yessayan journeyed from Istanbul to
Adana, after the massacre of up to 30,000 Armenians around the
Mediterranean city. She was part of a group sent by the Armenian
Patriarchate, assigned to survey conditions after the killings and
provide assistance to orphans and refugees. Born in Istanbul, the
31-year-old Yessayan had also lived in Paris, where she published
articles, stories and translations. But her experiences around Adana
far exceeded anything she had seen before.

"Among the Ruins" was published on her return to Istanbul in 1911. It
is a vivid testimony full of gruesome details, depicting the hellscape
that Armenian districts had become and the trauma endured by the
locals. "Our race's veins had been slashed open once again, and our
blood, still pulsing with joy over our newfound freedom, had been
spilled once again on soil fertilized by our sweat," she writes.

The massacres occurred in 1909, in the weeks after a countercoup in
Istanbul saw Sultan Abdulhamit II returned to power. The sultan's
authority had been seized the previous year by the Young Turks,
a cadre of young military officers who pledged to restore the
constitution and protect the rights of all Ottoman subjects. The
Christian-minority Armenians generally supported the coup against
the paranoid sultan, who had inspired earlier pogroms against Ottoman
Armenians. When Abdulhamit wrested back control from the Young Turks,
he again mobilized popular support by identifying himself with the
historically Islamic character of the state, promising to eliminate
secular policies and restore the sharia. This precipitated a new wave
of anti-Armenian raids in Adana carried out by local Muslims.

"In the Ruins" describes the aftermath of the bloodbath. It is full of
purple prose but many of the descriptions are still shocking over 100
years later. "The devastated city stretches outward like a cemetery
without end," Yessayan writes upon arrival in Adana:

Nothing has been spared; all the churches, schools, and dwellings have
been reduced to formless piles of charred stone, among which, here and
there, the skeletons of buildings jut up. From east to west, from north
to south, all the way to the distant limits of the Turkish quarters,
an implacable, ferocious hatred has burned and destroyed everything.

The pages are full of visceral descriptions of the traumatized orphans
and miserable survivors left behind. Everywhere she goes Yessayan
finds locals bearing the physical and mental scars of torture and
attempted lynching. At times there is a kind of stunned numbness in
the aftermath of a cataclysm: "On their dark-skinned, somber, gloomy
faces, you could sometimes read, as in an open book, all the terror of
hours that defied description; but at other times, everything clouded
over, and then the children were impenetrable. And that was even more
unsettling." Elsewhere the suffering is more clearly on the surface,
and it is detailed in unforgettable, haunting passages.

The familiar theme of Armenian survival and resistance against all
odds, often invoked today, can be seen in Yessayan's work even back
in 1911. As she writes towards the end: "The voice of my battered,
bloody race was singing its imperious refrain in my veins. The enemy's
designs had once again proven fruitless, and I could sense, despite
the desperately sad impressions we had gathered as eyewitnesses, that
something immortal and indestructible ... had eluded the criminals."

Such passages make for melancholy reading in the knowledge of what
would happen in Eastern Anatolia six years later.

There are also chilling contemporary echoes. Adana is barely 100 km
from the Syrian border, where today a human tragedy continues to
unfold with no end in sight. Yessayan paints a pitiful picture of
the surviving Armenian children of Adana:

When they saw anyone at all, they shivered like someone in the grip of
a fever. In the imaginations of those tender innocents, grown-ups all
looked alike. They saw a criminal in every adult male, were deluded
by terrifying resemblances, imagined ghastly scenes ... Their young
minds were deranged, because for days on end they had seen criminals
brandishing knives or rifles, eyes burning with a lust for evil,
mouths contorted by curses and threats.

It's hard to read such descriptions without thinking of terrified
Syrians displaced on the border today.

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