The sense of loss?

[Palavra]

Re: The sense of loss?

I thought the Turks invaded because Greece had turned into a dictatorship and the Turks felt they were poorly represented there. But hey, its Turkish government so I don't know what they were thinking.

It is partly true. Turkey didnot care If Greece is democracy or dictatorships but greece made a coup at cyprus. Elected leader of cyprus(Makarios, He was greek and a saint?) fleed to UK and accuse greece.

Turkish minority at island fleed from their villages to small enclaves..(Because of killings made by greek side) After coup, Turkey attacked island(first attack). This attack is supported by west. Later, when peace talks failed, Turkey attacked second time and divided land to two ethnics..

All Turkey, Greece and UK had their rights over cyprus. Turkey firstly tried to cooperate with brits.. Than US threated Turkey. Later, Turkey just ignored UK.

Lets not forget, makarios was not a lovely saint too. He said, When Turkey attack island, They would not any find Turks to help.(If You ask me, It is a threat of genocide.)

[hrai]

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He is wrong over the oil for sure....people didn't even know how to distil and use oil properly till the industrial era and no one then actually imported petrol from Turkey, cars are a 20th century invention.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Oil_well

The earliest known oil wells were drilled in China in 347 CE.

The Middle East's Petroleum industry was established by the 8th century, when the streets of the newly constructed Baghdad were paved with tar, derived from petroleum that became accessible from natural fields in the region. Petroleum was distilled by the Persian alchemist Muhammad ibn Zakariya Razi (Rhazes) in the 9th century, producing chemicals such as kerosene.
Though Henry Ford is well known in American history for making the automobile affordable to the average person in the early 1900’s, he was not the first producer of the automobile. By 1860, the gasoline engine had been invented in Europe and in 1885, Karl Benz had introduced the first gasoline powered automobile.

http://www.chevroncars.com/learn/cars/history-cars

[Mukuch]

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That's just example of another opinion.

And what you say is just example of classic DEMAGOGIA.

[Mukuch]

Re: The sense of loss?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl8sMDZkyXc (Part I)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJI0HQLHlX4 (Part II)

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Thanks, now I've just learnt what Armenian propaganda looks like.

What Armenian propaganda looks like? And what the truth looks like than?

[hipeter924]

Re: The sense of loss?

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Oil_well

The earliest known oil wells were drilled in China in 347 CE.

The Middle East's Petroleum industry was established by the 8th century, when the streets of the newly constructed Baghdad were paved with tar, derived from petroleum that became accessible from natural fields in the region. Petroleum was distilled by the Persian alchemist Muhammad ibn Zakariya Razi (Rhazes) in the 9th century, producing chemicals such as kerosene.
Though Henry Ford is well known in American history for making the automobile affordable to the average person in the early 1900’s, he was not the first producer of the automobile. By 1860, the gasoline engine had been invented in Europe and in 1885, Karl Benz had introduced the first gasoline powered automobile.

http://www.chevroncars.com/learn/cars/history-cars

1. Yep to produce chemicals, and who is to say that modern production of oil is the same to the ancient Chinese production of oil...it isn't. Again gasoline was used by very few people...the rich mainly...oil production only took off in the 20th century.

2. Yep and owned only by the wealthy, cars didn't really take off till the early 20th century...the first ones weren't really cars...more like moving steam rollers...so slow.

[hrai]

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1. Yep to produce chemicals, and who is to say that modern production of oil is the same to the ancient Chinese production of oil...it isn't. Again gasoline was used by very few people...the rich mainly...oil production only took off in the 20th century.

2. Yep and owned only by the wealthy, cars didn't really take off till the early 20th century...the first ones weren't really cars...more like moving steam rollers...so slow.

When cars take off, they become planes.

Just admit you posted duff info and got it wrong.

[hrai]

Re: The sense of loss?

1. Yep to produce chemicals, and who is to say that modern production of oil is the same to the ancient Chinese production of oil...it isn't. Again gasoline was used by very few people...the rich mainly...oil production only took off in the 20th century.

Is this fact or just another piece of duff info?

2. Yep and owned only by the wealthy, cars didn't really take off till the early 20th century...the first ones weren't really cars...more like moving steam rollers...so slow.

They're the ones built just for New Zealand. (and more like "horseless carriages" as they were called)

p.s. Twice you mention "the rich/wealthy", don't you like them/us?

[hrai]

Re: The sense of loss?

They can't be serious can they? Are they suggesting the primary reason for the AG was Oil? I mean the stuff's hardly gushing out of Van and Erzurum even now, forget about 1915. Anyway I doubt Enver would have even grasped it anyway. The guy was probably little more than a wreckless and heavy handed meglomanic, hardly a visionary of a burgeoning oil industry. The obvious would suggest that Enver was madly driven with consolidating and gaining Ottoman territorities after suffering hugh losses in the Balkans at any cost and applied 'prison style politics' i.e. hit first before you get hit. Although his actions resulted in tragic consequences, I'd be betting he was probably motivated by greed for territory/land rather than oil or hatred of the Armenian race per se.

You show here that you don't really read posts you reply to.
The Baghdad railway was planned to link Berlin via the Balkans & Constantinople with Mosul and the Persian Gulf. This would have given Germany the supply route for much needed oil as the sea routes would be controlled by the British navy in times of war.
A secondary use of the railway would be to penetrate towards India and Central Asia through Persia to engage the muslims there in the Pan-turan fantasies of the ottomans.
Armenia and Armenians stood directly in line of this railway and were seen as a possible future threat to it. enver needed no excuse to carry out his murderous plans, just the "cover" of a war.

[hipeter924]

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is this fact or just another piece of duff info?


They're the ones built just for new zealand. (and more like "horseless carriages" as they were called)

p.s. Twice you mention "the rich/wealthy", don't you like them/us?

wtf?

Sorry just don't get what you are on about.

1. Excuse me? Are you saying that a modern oil derrick was made in China before the Industrial revolution? You are really confusing me now

2. What does a car have to do with New Zealand. Also please note all cars built in NZ were made by the same companies that existed in the Uk. So no they were exactly the same. :P

How is pointing out that cars originally could only be afforded by the wealthy anything discriminatory???

????

[hrai]

Re: The sense of loss?

wtf?

Sorry just don't get what you are on about.

1. Excuse me? Are you saying that a modern oil derrick was made in China before the Industrial revolution? You are really confusing me now

2. What does a car have to do with New Zealand. Also please note all cars built in NZ were made by the same companies that existed in the Uk. So no they were exactly the same. :P

How is pointing out that cars originally could only be afforded by the wealthy anything discriminatory???

????

Easily done apparently.
You post duff info as fact and then dodge it.
A sense of humor wouldn't go wrong either.

http://www.sjgs.com/history.html