Genocide

[alpixoid]

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If we get angry with the people and don't reserve it for the government it is because they do exactly what you did; come here and start repeating things as if they are facts. You never asked for information or to understand what happened. You came here and pretended to be Armenian, said we're haters, and restated lies perpetuated by your government like a parrot incapable of independent thought and research.

İf you were teached for 14 years to believe there was no genocide even if you dont want it you will believe there was no genocide..I did ask for information if you look my previous messages and only reason I pretended to be an Armenian because when I read the turkish people's posts here they are just empty fight words and pretending to be an Armenian was the way to learn something but then i realized that would be just lying and I didnt said you are all haters but like the guy said that when you beat us he will enjoy using Ataturk'S grave as a toilet...And even if you dont think I didnt do any independent research I did and found German research I am open to anything but it needs to be proved obviously and everybody here can think independent and heres some questions I am asking you if you dont believe that I am not searching for information:
1-Why Armenia has rejected Turkey's offer for an independent historical commision investigation?
2-Why you want us the Turkish Government to apologize what The Ottoman Empire did in 1915?

[alpixoid]

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Alpixoid, every kind of neutral and reliable source you need is found on the Internet. Let me scratch the surface here and ask you what you think of Raphael Lemkin? In case you do not know who he is, he is the man who invented the word 'genocide'. What prompted him to invent the word were his studies on the Armenian Genocide!

I mean if that's not enough, the International Association of Genocide Scholars unanimously recognise the events as a genocide. Everything you need can be found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide

Like I said I am ambivalent about this..There are really strong proofs that it happened and there are strong proofs that it didnt happened..By the way yes I know Raphael Lemkin even if he hated us I think his works were good at least what he believed forced him to hate us..It is a ironic twist that only seven people attended his funeral..

[alpixoid]

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If some countries' (e.g. US) governments do not officially recognize what happened as "Genocide" does not make it untrue. Those decisions are motivated by politics.

But if 20 countries accepted it doesnt make it true either..I am ambilevent about this...

[alpixoid]

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I was being facetious on Armenians being equal in the O.E. We were not. We were third class citizens in our own land.
How are Armenian liable for what befell Bosnians? Explain.
Why would xxxs apologize for Jesus? The first Christians were xxxs themselves and merely considered themsleves a new sect of Judaism.
Armenian were not allowed to serve in the military prior to the Balkan Wars, no Christian was allowed. The Jannisaries do not count, they were taken from their families.
You cannot change history, no one can of course, but you can stop spitting in our faces and calling it rain.

Despite my issues with Erdogan, he has liberalized Turkey more than anyone in several decades. He is the lesser of all evil in Turkey. We are very well aware of who the MHP and Devlet Bahceli represent {xxxkurt}, we know what they stand for any they are our enemies for certain.

Bahceli is wrong about you but he is the only one who has the balls to tell EU that if they are going to let us join or not and the balls to hang Apo(if you dont know him he is the leader of PKK

[alpixoid]

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What i really meant by brainwashed is that whole the world recognize the genocide so by u whole world is brainwashed.
"were taking good care" what is that mean?
Turkey is the first country that punished and recognized the genocide,u comlitly egnore the fact of the past attempts?
In reality turkey scared of losing another part of here and had pressures by the relocated Turks from Balkans.
Armenia never attacked turkey,Armenian first republic were in 1918 after the genocide.
Greece Bulgaria Serbia all of them had help by foreign countries.Russia then had its own agenda the fact that in its army were partisipating Armenians this do not justifies u nor the genocide.
Me as you say in that time had no face to be represented.
The fact that armenians will fight is cause the anatolia is part of historic armenia which turks even after the events got them by stealing it and making agreements with russians.
U would keep the land and ours,so today we would be happy. Treaty of Sèvres.
But no this time ur new leader Ataturk thinks that the Treaty of Sèvres don't suite him so he starts a new war and this time its called Turkish-Armenian War.
U oppressed a nation that wanted its freedom u denied its rights,start a war stole land genocide the people,after that camed Mr.Ataturk with his qoute,"Now Turkey will belonge only to the Turks"Watching the burning of armenian quarter in Smyrna.
He were aware of the genocide and what it meant to its own people.

Anatolia was not only the historic part of Armenia there was Macedonia Empire,Selefkits,Greeks,Romans,Sasanis,Partlars you were kinda vassals and never a whole country but we got it and it doesnt mean that you should have it back because you lived here once because lots of communities lived here..About Ataturkuring WWI The Ottoman Empire was shared out by other countries our stupid leaders back then was thinking about being a minority to England if Ataturk didnt come and save us we would be like black people in America and treated like ... by other people instead of having our own country you are confusing Ataturk with Adolf Hitler..Adolf was racist and his ideas include that people who arent German should be destroyed but Ataturk said that we should defense our country and if we dont get freedom we should die and he was way more smart than Churchill or Adolf or racist idiots like them..And if you dont know the way your people treated by Romans or Arabs or Makedonians were horrible and Ottomans treated you better than them but if you are a minority(even if I dont support it)you dont feel so free like the other people I know that because I was in England for four years and yes Armenia never attacked Turkey but Armenian people before Armenian Republic attacked us with Russiand during WWI and they are killing our consuls for a long time but I dont make a big deal out of it and I checked the German sources translated to English and I found this:''Armenian people first said that there were 600 thousand people who died then they increased the number to 800 thousand the number continued to increase till it was 1.5 million people and nowadays people are talking about 2 million people..By a count of people in Ottoman Empire there was 1.3 million Armenian who lived in Ottoman Empire.In the last meeting of ''Telat Paşa İttihat ve Terakki Partisi'' the Armenian lost confirmed as 300 thousand people and Monseigneur Touchet confirmed it as 500 thousand people but he said that it might be magniloquent.Tonybee said it was 600 thousand like the Armenians first confirmed it.Encyclopedia Britannica said it was 600 thousand but the same magazine said it was 1.5 million people in 1968.But the truth is like the Armenians first confirmed it 600 thousand people..''What do you think about it?

[Anoush]

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Her parents told her, and she told your parents, and your parents told you and on on.....

Have you ever played a game called Chinese whispers? Passing second information more often than not confirms the unreliability of human recollection.

Jos you seem to be warped too and into denial, and if you are into denial get the hell out of here!!!

[Jos]

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Relocations dose it ring any bells?
And no Kurd nor Turk will have the right to vote.Other minority's will vote,the country will have similar struction of an federation,so the benefits of people will be protected.
Examples u can take from USA.

OK whatever you say, that really makes sense ? ....

"similar struction of an federation,so the benefits of people will be protected"

[Jos]

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Her parents told her everything that occured. I doubt a 4 year old could remember that stuff.

Her parents told her, and she told your parents, and your parents told you and on on.....

Have you ever played a game called Chinese whispers? Passing second information more often than not confirms the unreliability of human recollection.

[Anoush]

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Minor correction Anoush, it was Gul (the President) who visited Yerevan and not Erdogan (the PM) following the Serzh Sargsyan invitation.

Secondly, how exactly do you expect Wilsonian arbitration or the Sevres Treaty to be implemented today boy genius? In the absence of ethnic cleansing on a massive scale, Turks & Kurds would end up being the majority of the population of the new expanded Armenian state. You would basically be handing over the present day Armenia on a silver platter to the Turks who could simply take over democratically by weight of numbers.

Btw, an answer already has been given you above and yes the country can be controlled by the government who is controlling it. It can be done boy genious.

Jos, are you a turk?

[Pazooki]

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WOW indeed Pazooki, incredible memory for a 4 year old child.

Her parents told her everything that occured. I doubt a 4 year old could remember that stuff.