Genocide

[Federate]

Re: Genocide??..

And if you read my previous message I said our government should apologize if there was a genocide or not because we've got really hard on you and I hate Tayyip Erdoğan too he is an Islamic fashist I mean we are muslim but we are also secular.I for myself vote for MHP and Devlet Bahceli..

Not to go off-topic too much but this strikes me as rather strange. You hate Erdogan because you accuse him of being a fascist yet you say you vote for the MHP which is a fascist organisation

[Joseph]

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The problem is I cant find any independent sources, 20 countries accepted the genocide and rest didn't and I cant decide so fast because it is really hard to tell our grand-grand-granpas barbaric and still believe they are muslim or turkish but like I said before politicians denied the genocide and now if they apologize they'll look like idiots and like me %75 of turkish people doesnt know if it really happened or it didnt..

Like I wrote before. The Germans are the best source. If you want, you can discount all others. They witnessed everything firsthand.

[alpixoid]

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Repeating that there was a war with Russia and you "relocated" us doesn't make it true. Why don't you look at some independent sources on the issue instead of relying on what you were taught in school. It is not only Armenian sources that bolster the fact that the Armenians were nothing more than loyal subject who while defenseless were butchered in the most horrendous ways imaginable. Nor was the events around 1915 the only time this happened.
The AG is not equivalent to two people getting into a fight. A more appropriate analogy would be sneaking up on someone while they're asleep and setting them on fire. This is not as easily forgiven nor forgotten especially after decades of shameless denial and lies in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary and not the tiniest shred of remorse.

The problem is I cant find any independent sources, 20 countries accepted the genocide and rest didn't and I cant decide so fast because it is really hard to tell our grand-grand-granpas barbaric and still believe they are muslim or turkish but like I said before politicians denied the genocide and now if they apologize they'll look like idiots and like me %75 of turkish people doesnt know if it really happened or it didnt..

[Joseph]

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Hey you misunderstood me very much I didnt say Armenians never served in Turkish military I said that they did not served at every war and when they were disarmed we were disarmed too and you totally misunderstood me on fifth thing I didnt say empires are bad at all and I know Ottoman Empire collapsed because of their leaders too.Armenians were one in many reasons why muslims died in Bosnia and I didnt say Armenians are christian fanatics I just said it would be good if xxxs apologize for the death of jesus.And where you are right is what I learned in school is that Armenians were equal in the Ottoman Empire and again you should forgive us too.What can we do if our grand-grand-grandpas killed yours?We can't change history..And if you read my previous message I said our government should apologize if there was a genocide or not because we've got really hard on you and I hate Tayyip Erdoğan too he is an Islamic fashist I mean we are muslim but we are also secular.I for myself vote for MHP and Devlet Bahceli..

I was being facetious on Armenians being equal in the O.E. We were not. We were third class citizens in our own land.
How are Armenian liable for what befell Bosnians? Explain.
Why would xxxs apologize for Jesus? The first Christians were xxxs themselves and merely considered themsleves a new sect of Judaism.
Armenian were not allowed to serve in the military prior to the Balkan Wars, no Christian was allowed. The Jannisaries do not count, they were taken from their families.
You cannot change history, no one can of course, but you can stop spitting in our faces and calling it rain.

Despite my issues with Erdogan, he has liberalized Turkey more than anyone in several decades. He is the lesser of all evil in Turkey. We are very well aware of who the MHP and Devlet Bahceli represent {xxxkurt}, we know what they stand for any they are our enemies for certain.

[Pazooki]

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I don't hate Armenians too.I don't really know genocide really happened or not because there are strong proofs that it happened and there are strong proofs that it didn't but if that really happened I would be sorry that my grand-grand-grandpa was so barbaric and i would be apologize for my grand-grand-grandpa and our government said that there were no genocide for so long and if they say that it really happened they will lose their respect.I dont know if that really happened but if Tayyip and Abdullah Gül knows that really happened and still deny it i would hate them too..

You can give me all the "false proof" you want and say it never happened or you don't know but I am 100% sure it did happened. How do I know? My great grandmother, who is still alive today at 98, was in the Genocide. The stories she told me were not something to forget. She lost her baby sister because of your people.

[alpixoid]

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Who said we hate Turks? I don't hate Turks who believe the Genocide happened and accept it. I hate Turks who say there wasn't a Genocide and I hate your government for denying it. By saying there wasn't a Genocide, do you know what you are doing to each and every Armenian? You're spitting in our faces and calling us liars.

I don't hate Armenians too.I don't really know genocide really happened or not because there are strong proofs that it happened and there are strong proofs that it didn't but if that really happened I would be sorry that my grand-grand-grandpa was so barbaric and i would be apologize for my grand-grand-grandpa and our government said that there were no genocide for so long and if they say that it really happened they will lose their respect.I dont know if that really happened but if Tayyip and Abdullah Gül knows that really happened and still deny it i would hate them too..

[alpixoid]

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This is what we have learned so far from our Turkish friend.

1. Armenians never served in the Turkish military. {they did, in the both the Balkan Wars and WWI- the Armenians troops were disarmed and slaughtered}
2. Armenians are responsible for killing Bosnian Muslims ---?????
3. Armenians welcomed the Seljuk with open arms-????
4. Armenians were equal in the Ottoman Empire-- ????
5. Empires are bad unless they are Turkish and although the Turks renounced their empire and it fell because of their own folly, everyone else is to blame
6. Armenians are fanatic Christians, as are all Christians.--even though Armenians get on fine with Arabs and persians
7. Armenians should forgive the Turks for slaughtering them and eradicating them from their 4,000 year homeland.
8. Armenians should not be mad at Turkey/Turks even though they continually harrass Armenia in the present.

Hey you misunderstood me very much I didnt say Armenians never served in Turkish military I said that they did not served at every war and when they were disarmed we were disarmed too and you totally misunderstood me on fifth thing I didnt say empires are bad at all and I know Ottoman Empire collapsed because of their leaders too.Armenians were one in many reasons why muslims died in Bosnia and I didnt say Armenians are christian fanatics I just said it would be good if xxxs apologize for the death of jesus.And where you are right is what I learned in school is that Armenians were equal in the Ottoman Empire and again you should forgive us too.What can we do if our grand-grand-grandpas killed yours?We can't change history..And if you read my previous message I said our government should apologize if there was a genocide or not because we've got really hard on you and I hate Tayyip Erdoğan too he is an Islamic fashist I mean we are muslim but we are also secular.I for myself vote for MHP and Devlet Bahceli..

[Joseph]

Re: Genocide??..

Repeating that there was a war with Russia and you "relocated" us doesn't make it true. Why don't you like at some independent sources on the issue instead of relying on what you were taught in school. It is not only Armenian sources that bolster the fact that the Armenians were nothing more than loyal subject who while defenseless were butchered in the most horrendous ways imaginable. Nor was the events around 1915 the only time this happened.
The AG is not equivalent to two people getting into a fight. A more appropriate analogy would be sneaking up on someone while they're asleep and setting them on fire. This is not as easily forgiven nor forgotten especially after decades of shameless denial and lies in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary and not the tiniest shred of remorse.

Their wartime allies, the Germans are the best source.

[Siggie]

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That is what I am saying every country is like brainwashed what happened between our countries and that was so effective that we all forgot that history is history and you can't change it.After so many years we are talking about genocide'n stuff..There was a war between you+russians and us and we won that and we re-located you somewhere where you can't hurt us but that was not our war that was many years ago..I mean if your grandpa and one of your friends grandpa gets in a fight would your friend and you fighting too?We should stop fighting and make peace.War isn't going to take us anywhere..
Dont take it in a wrong way I am just asking to learn:
Before the war when you were minority in Ottoman Empire we were taking good care of you and you werent even sending to wars for protecting the empire..Why did you attacked us in first place?

Repeating that there was a war with Russia and you "relocated" us doesn't make it true. Why don't you look at some independent sources on the issue instead of relying on what you were taught in school. It is not only Armenian sources that bolster the fact that the Armenians were nothing more than loyal subject who while defenseless were butchered in the most horrendous ways imaginable. Nor was the events around 1915 the only time this happened.
The AG is not equivalent to two people getting into a fight. A more appropriate analogy would be sneaking up on someone while they're asleep and setting them on fire. This is not as easily forgiven nor forgotten especially after decades of shameless denial and lies in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary and not the tiniest shred of remorse.

[Pazooki]

Re: Genocide??..

Who said we hate Turks? I don't hate Turks who believe the Genocide happened and accept it. I hate Turks who say there wasn't a Genocide and I hate your government for denying it. By saying there wasn't a Genocide, do you know what you are doing to each and every Armenian? You're spitting in our faces and calling us liars.