Genocide

[Yedtarts]

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Armenian Genocide Survivor and Eyewitness Accounts
LInk

By the way I heard the horror stories from both of my grandmother and my grandfather and both of them were the only survivors in their families.
My grandfather was from "Beilan"
My grandmother was from "Bityas"

MEMORIES OF EYEWITNESS-SURVIVORS OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE
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[jgk3]

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Oh yes I am going to be around because even if you guys think that we are the bad guys we are not..I mean how can you judge a person because his or her grand-grand-grand-grand..father did such horrible things..I think that only thing we should care about is religion and nothing else but i kinda get mad when someone swears a man who saved me from racisicsm and slavery...And even if we are muslim and you are christian I dont think that is not a problem we couldn't solve..20 countries have accepted that there is a genocide but others didn't..I am not saying that there is a genocide or not I don't think about that since there is not very strong proofs that says there is a genocide or there is not..Well that is not my point I mean you killed a lot of us and we killed a lot of you it's time we all should forget about it and live in peace.There is nothing we can do to change the past..But you should understand that Turkey is a very respected country in the world and our politicians said there was no genocide for so long if they change their mind now they will look like idiots..So hate our politicians not us..A lot of us understand that your schools teaches to hate us(probably)and tells there is a genocide but our schools tells that there wasn't..Both sides are kind of brainwashed but when i first saw this forum there were so much insults to turkish people i couldn't resist to ask you why so much?..We dont make fun of you here and there are treads that Turkish people yells you and you yell back that is kind of attitude that is not going to take us anywhere..Shortly if there was a genocide I am sorry my grand-grand..whatever killed your grand-grand-..But the thing i expect is a sorry too(not from you guys you did not say anything but the guy said that he will enjoy crapping on Ataturk's grave that really hurted)I mean you killed us in Bosnia-Herseqovina and places like there and we killed you but when I say we and you that is not us..That was so many years ago but like I said hate the government not us they are the ones who doesnt apologize if there really was a genocide and probably Tayyip Erdoğan and Abdullah Gül would know if there was or wasn't its just like the xxxs wont apologize to christians for the death of Jesus and you should demand them to apologize if Muhammed was killed by christians or xxxs we would've demand it and thanks for the threads they really helped..

If our nations are to be friends, it is the responsibility of Turkish citizens to recognize the genocide. Otherwise, our "friendship" would just lead to history will repeat itself.

This is not a matter of hatred, but of mutual understanding of what formed our respective nations in this modern era, the extreme disregard for the human lives of "giaours (gavurs)" or "raya", leading to their extermination from the the Ottoman empire in order to fulfill the creation of a modern, secular, Turkish republic, who's dogma is ethnic homogeneity that has room for only a single race called "Turk" within their realm, resulting in assimilatory racism amongst Muslims, and genocide against Christians (even if they try to mask these intentions by "tolerating" and flattering non-Turks in certain regions of their nation such as Istanbul).

I understand that this is largely political, but in order for the politics to work, the citizens must also be engaged into the scheme, and Turks, like any nationally represented ethnic group, are very much involved in the Turkey's geopolitical and inter-ethnic relations.

We don't mind talking to Turks about other topics at all, but when it comes to the genocide, we will not seek dialogue if it means we have to compromise our position in order to "become friends with our neighbours".

Please note that we'd rather fight to resist the isolation of the Armenian nation than to become "friends with all our loving neighbours", and thus, are quite satisfied with the present status quo.

[alpixoid]

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The numbers are tools in the hands of genocide masterminds,they burned archives they carefully planted the hole operation before they put in start there plans.Armenians in some citys were the majority, villages with Armenians.
Very often Turkish people ask as why turkish and armenian historians don't sit down and talk about armenian genocide.The answer is that the act of such is another trick of denial.
To make it more simple for u,this means that turkish historians like to review past events that has been recorded and try to change the facts,wile in same time make the armenians and all the other countries that confirmed past historic events to deny it.

For me its an insult trying to change the past that its cannot be changed.

I cannot recall any killings of consuls of yours before the 1915,and if so the consuls that u refer were people that planned the genocide and put in trial with a sentence of death.

Also u obviously don't know of Armenian history u refer of Great Alexander conquering armenia,i don't know from were did u get that,there were no empire that could conquer hole armenia every time 1 part of it would be free, Persians did not conquer with army nor the Safavids,u could add Bizantium even then half of the military leaders or the Emperors were Armenians.
My ancestors did well so no turk or any other foreigner can question my history that is thousand years older than yours.

Well in some citys and villages turks are majority in germany and kurds are majority in here it doesnt mean if you are in majority in one or two cities and villages you have it all!!And yes some historians does make it up to change the past but not just in here.There are historians like that in every country who wants too make their country look great..And I dont mean consuls from 1915 I mean the consuls in 1990s and 2000s..By the way I think it is an insult to try to change the past..In the Ottoman Empire Armenians had jobs in government and schools also they had like all the rights except joining the military..

[UrMistake]

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The numbers are tools in the hands of genocide masterminds,they burned archives they carefully planted the hole operation before they put in start there plans.Armenians in some citys were the majority, villages with Armenians.
Very often Turkish people ask as why turkish and armenian historians don't sit down and talk about armenian genocide.The answer is that the act of such is another trick of denial.
To make it more simple for u,this means that turkish historians like to review past events that has been recorded and try to change the facts,wile in same time make the armenians and all the other countries that confirmed past historic events to deny it.

For me its an insult trying to change the past that its cannot be changed.

I cannot recall any killings of consuls of yours before the 1915,and if so the consuls that u refer were people that planned the genocide and put in trial with a sentence of death.

Also u obviously don't know of Armenian history u refer of Great Alexander conquering armenia,i don't know from were did u get that,there were no empire that could conquer hole armenia every time 1 part of it would be free, Persians did not conquer with army nor the Safavids,u could add Bizantium even then half of the military leaders or the Emperors were Armenians.
My ancestors did well so no turk or any other foreigner can question my history that is thousand years older than yours.

[alpixoid]

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Relocations dose it ring any bells?
And no Kurd nor Turk will have the right to vote.Other minority's will vote,the country will have similar struction of an federation,so the benefits of people will be protected.
Examples u can take from USA.

I have already a ticket for u just in case.

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[alpixoid]

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alpixoid, same as Eddo said, your country morally looks very bad in-front of the whole world because when denying the Armenian Genocide committed by turkey and turkey alone, they are continuing the Genocide, as the last phase of the Genocide is denial.

Also, your country is always looking to get into the European Union. And why do you think the European Union doesn't want turkey to get in it? Because turkey had a very belligerent past and the Europeans are always fledgling the red flag in-front of turkey's eyes. Meaning, the Armenian Genocide is the most important factor that Europe doesn't want turkey to be part of their union, and naturally Europeans knowing the real facts, they are letting turkey know that they should do reparations to Armenia and Armenians. That's the reason why Erdogun went to Armenia to play AS IF political reconciliation with Armenia and the football diplomacy to show to the Europeans that they are trying. But turkey failed again as they pushed their agendas time and time again to pass the illegal Kars Treaty, overlooking the legalized Sevres Treaty and the Wilson Arbitration.

Turkey along with "azerbaijan" are also pushing for Nagorno-Karapagh Artsakh lands that Stalin simply gave it away to the "azeris" to please attaturk and we only fought back to the "azeri" genocidal pogroms from 1988-1992 and we won the war, still Erdogan and the "azeris" are pushing and pushing to take over those lands or most of these lands to simply steal and own them, even though we won the war. What turkey and "azerbaijan" really want is to take over all of Armenia and Nagorno-Karapagh. To either kill all the Armenians or send them away so that turkey and "azerbaijan" can realize their idiotic wet dreams of pan-turism.

Armenia MUST NOT accept any friendship from turkey when a HUGE GENOCIDE issue is hanging over turkey as they continue to deny it. Turkey MUST accept the Genocide and MUST adhere to the Wilson Arbitration. Meaning to give our lands back to the owners - that is to us Armenians, the real landlords of the land - !!!!!

The main reason wh eu doesnt want us is the kurt problem we are solving nowadays but ag is a big reason too.Most of our people started to accept the ag but our government may never apologize.But our prime-ministers seem to be getting along very well.And if our people get along there will be no reason for us to fight.Actually I dont care about azeris and our borders opened again.You seem to be right till the end what Turkey shall and will never do is to give away our country because if we wanted our lands back all asia and europe should be taken back but one thing I can assure you is that you are very wrong to think that we want to take all over Armenia that is your land but I dont know what Azerbaijan thinks and actually I dont give a crap what Azerbaijan thinks..

[alpixoid]

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They can’t loose something they don’t have……but in Turkish politics and the negetive effects on them I agree with this (but it is leverage, not honor that can be lost).

You know alpixoid, I personally could care less if Turkey or the Turkish people recognize the AG other than a political advantage for the Armenians……..but hey, that is just me.
Don’t worry about it, you sound very young. Read what was suggested to you by others if you wanna learn but be careful what you say in school, you might get in trouble.

Actually we are very respected when syria didnt give us PKK leader apo we took it anyway and usa confirmed that we are a super-power and after erdoğan bawled out israel leader peres he called an apologized and such...you see we are very respected dont say insulting stuff about us and more than %75 of people in Turkey including me are ambivalent about AG and that just seems very confusing yes I am kinda young I am studying at Marmara College in İstanbul if you count that as young and we are open-minded about AG so dont worry I wont get in trouble...

[alpixoid]

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You see, even if there were Armenians in the Russian Empire's army, why wouldn't there have been? Russian Armenia was a subject of the Russian Empire like Ottoman Armenia was a subject of the Ottoman Empire and both empires conscripted soldiers. The Battle of Sarikamish, initiated by the Ottoman Empire, took place with an Ottoman attack on the Russian Empire's Caucasus portion. Guess which country is located there... On the contrary, Armenians had all the right to be in the Russian army at the time and were merely defending their lands. Of course none of this even creates a feeble excuse for committing a genocide.

And we were in the German army protecting their lands...

[alpixoid]

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Correct, this is called realpolitik.

Another thing, just because a country does not recognise the AG as genocide does not mean it automatically denies it. I'm sure a country like Botswana does not deny the AG happened

Yes that is kinda true..But the Ottoman Empire did genocide if they did we are not The Ottoman Empire..

[alpixoid]

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What's that supposed to mean?


So your going to blame Armenia for Armenian soldiers in the Russian army?

That is just stupid.

It's like me blaming Turkey for the holocaust because there was Turkish soldiers in the German army.

See I am not blaming Armenia for Armenian soldiers in the Russian army but you are all blaming Turkey for Turkish soldiers in the Ottoman army...The Ottoman Empire has collapsed we are a new country we are not The Ottoman Empire..