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" All Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation"
[I]Hamparsum Boyaciyan, nicknamed "Murad," a former Ottoman parliamentarian who led Armenian guerilla forces, ravaging Turkish villages behind the lines, 1914. Cited from M. Varandian, "History of the Dashnaktsutiun," p. 85.
This quote does not exist, neither in the first volume, neither in the second, of the aforementioned work. No only does it not exist on page 85 of those two volumes, but it doesn't exist anywhere in those two books. Another example of falsification.
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"When we arrived at Zeve, the village couldn't be passed through because of its stench. It was as if the bones in our noses would fall off... There were bodies everywhere. We saw a weird scene on the threshold of one house: they had filled the house with Muslims and burned it, and so many people had been burnt that the fat that had oozed from under the threshold had turned back into the trench in front of the door. That is, it was as if the river of fat had risen and later receded. The fat was still fresh. The entire village had been destroyed and was in this situation. I saw this with my own eyes, and I'll never forget it. We heard that they did the same thing to the Muslims on Carpanak Island. The Armenians told me about the latter; I did not see it for myself."
[I]Haci Osman Gemicioglu, an Armenian-Turk (having converted to Islam) who eyewitnessed the 1915 Zeve massacre; as told to Huseyin Celik, during interviews conducted in the late 1970s-early 80s.
Interviews such is this of said witnesses popping up after 60 years, can hardly be presented as evidences. First of all, whom is to confirm that he is an Armenian having been converted to Islam. Anyone can come up with such stories that in no way can be confirmed. Where are the Armenians living in Zeve, there is not a single Armenian left there. If Armenians were the aggressors, how come in all the region where it is said by people of your ilk that Armenians were the aggressors there are not a single Armenian presence recorded. All GONE!!!
There is no such thing as an Armenian Turk; ethnicity is a social construct, once an Armenian assimilate he become a Turk, as much as a Turk as any other Turk. There is no way to confirm this “witness” story, and more to this, he himself admit not having seen anything having been done.
There was many Armenians living in Zeve, they all disappeared, in fact, nearly none of the Armenians from Zeve survived, they were all burned in Mass. (The same ways as the other mass burnings witnessed and written by the Jewish intellectuals forming the Nili group)
Firstly, this man came there and seen bodies, burning bodies etc. he claims Armenians told him this later, but there was ZERO Armenian left in Zeve, they could not have said anything. The same goes with Carpanak, all the Armenians from this Island, ALL were butchered, burned, drawn etc.
And finally, whom is to tell that this man is really an Armenian that has converted to Islam?
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"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination."
[I]Ohanus Appressian, describing incidents in 1919; Memoirs of an Armenian officer, Men are Like That, 1926.
“Men are like that” is not the memoirs of Ohanus Appressian, it is a novel, a story written by Leonard Ramsden Hartill, Ohanus is a said native of the region whom didn't know English, and Leonard didn't know Armenian... , most of the work has been written with Apressians pantonimes talks as Leonard say, and the rest is fiction to write a Novel. Beside that, the quote you refer, the word “Turks” is not contained, but rather the work Tartar, and has nothing to do with 1915, it is meant to be a story about ethnocultural conflicts between the tartars and the Armenians in the Russian Empire, and as well, a Bolshevic propaganda.
Let repeat and clarify; Men are like that, is not a memoir, but a Novel written by someone that wrote a good part of the work when he didn't knew, neither Armenian, neither Russian, or any other languages to communicate with Ohannus.(the author tell this himself in the preface of the book) The work is the story of a man(Ohannus), and most of the events related are about his village, during the Tartar-Armenian conflicts from 1904-1906, and has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the Ottoman Armenians and what happened in 1915. And in the same book, there are many sentences about crimes perpetrated by the Tartars against the Armenians, and the author by the intermediary of his character call it an attempt of extermination from both side. The village in question is now a part of Azerbaijan(Ohannus village), and there are no Armenian living there, they have been killed and pushed out. The goal of this work is to change American public opinion after the Bolshevisation of Armenia. The Americans were hardly accepting that the U.S decided to get out from there without respecting treaties to secure Armenia.
It is a matter of fact, that denialists like you, not having much materials to support your unsupportable theses, rely on falsification and manipulation.
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Quote:
" All Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation"
[I]Hamparsum Boyaciyan, nicknamed "Murad," a former Ottoman parliamentarian who led Armenian guerilla forces, ravaging Turkish villages behind the lines, 1914. Cited from M. Varandian, "History of the Dashnaktsutiun," p. 85.
This quote does not exist, neither in the first volume, neither in the second, of the aforementioned work. No only does it not exist on page 85 of those two volumes, but it doesn't exist anywhere in those two books. Another example of falsification.
Quote:
"When we arrived at Zeve, the village couldn't be passed through because of its stench. It was as if the bones in our noses would fall off... There were bodies everywhere. We saw a weird scene on the threshold of one house: they had filled the house with Muslims and burned it, and so many people had been burnt that the fat that had oozed from under the threshold had turned back into the trench in front of the door. That is, it was as if the river of fat had risen and later receded. The fat was still fresh. The entire village had been destroyed and was in this situation. I saw this with my own eyes, and I'll never forget it. We heard that they did the same thing to the Muslims on Carpanak Island. The Armenians told me about the latter; I did not see it for myself."
[I]Haci Osman Gemicioglu, an Armenian-Turk (having converted to Islam) who eyewitnessed the 1915 Zeve massacre; as told to Huseyin Celik, during interviews conducted in the late 1970s-early 80s.
Interviews such is this of said witnesses popping up after 60 years, can hardly be presented as evidences. First of all, whom is to confirm that he is an Armenian having been converted to Islam. Anyone can come up with such stories that in no way can be confirmed. Where are the Armenians living in Zeve, there is not a single Armenian left there. If Armenians were the aggressors, how come in all the region where it is said by people of your ilk that Armenians were the aggressors there are not a single Armenian presence recorded. All GONE!!!
There is no such thing as an Armenian Turk; ethnicity is a social construct, once an Armenian assimilate he become a Turk, as much as a Turk as any other Turk. There is no way to confirm this “witness” story, and more to this, he himself admit not having seen anything having been done.
There was many Armenians living in Zeve, they all disappeared, in fact, nearly none of the Armenians from Zeve survived, they were all burned in Mass. (The same ways as the other mass burnings witnessed and written by the Jewish intellectuals forming the Nili group)
Firstly, this man came there and seen bodies, burning bodies etc. he claims Armenians told him this later, but there was ZERO Armenian left in Zeve, they could not have said anything. The same goes with Carpanak, all the Armenians from this Island, ALL were butchered, burned, drawn etc.
And finally, whom is to tell that this man is really an Armenian that has converted to Islam?
Quote:
"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Turks and then proceeded in the work of extermination."
[I]Ohanus Appressian, describing incidents in 1919; Memoirs of an Armenian officer, Men are Like That, 1926.
“Men are like that” is not the memoirs of Ohanus Appressian, it is a novel, a story written by Leonard Ramsden Hartill, Ohanus is a said native of the region whom didn't know English, and Leonard didn't know Armenian... , most of the work has been written with Apressians pantonimes talks as Leonard say, and the rest is fiction to write a Novel. Beside that, the quote you refer, the word “Turks” is not contained, but rather the work Tartar, and has nothing to do with 1915, it is meant to be a story about ethnocultural conflicts between the tartars and the Armenians in the Russian Empire, and as well, a Bolshevic propaganda.
Let repeat and clarify; Men are like that, is not a memoir, but a Novel written by someone that wrote a good part of the work when he didn't knew, neither Armenian, neither Russian, or any other languages to communicate with Ohannus.(the author tell this himself in the preface of the book) The work is the story of a man(Ohannus), and most of the events related are about his village, during the Tartar-Armenian conflicts from 1904-1906, and has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the Ottoman Armenians and what happened in 1915. And in the same book, there are many sentences about crimes perpetrated by the Tartars against the Armenians, and the author by the intermediary of his character call it an attempt of extermination from both side. The village in question is now a part of Azerbaijan(Ohannus village), and there are no Armenian living there, they have been killed and pushed out. The goal of this work is to change American public opinion after the Bolshevisation of Armenia. The Americans were hardly accepting that the U.S decided to get out from there without respecting treaties to secure Armenia.
It is a matter of fact, that denialists like you, not having much materials to support your unsupportable theses, rely on falsification and manipulation.
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