What say you NoThink? From German Consul report - July 1915

[thinktwice]

It is so strange that we wanted ethic cleansing and we keep some of Armenian people in Istanbul, Izmir...

And it is so strange that we didn't kill and bury them we just sent them to another countries...

And the most strange thing is that we recorded whole thing.............


Stupid one can even understand it was exile...
And it has reasons...

[CatWoman]

It is so strange that we wanted ethic cleansing and we keep some of Armenian people in Istanbul, Izmir...

Some? We get rid of 1.5 million, but we keep some.

And it is so strange that we didn't kill and bury them we just sent them to another countries...

Another countries? Try the desert.

And the most strange thing is that we recorded whole thing.............

We? By we do you mean the German photographers?

Stupid one can even understand it was exile...
And it has reasons...

Exile: Enforced removal from one's native country
Isn't it possible for a genocide to start with an exile?

[thinktwice]

I see you have proof on 1.5 million,

you can't even explain other Armenians in Istanbul, Izmir... ,

we sent you to desert? show me your proof... ,

you can read arabic right? go check out some... and what were you expecting in war times. Assignment of limousine during exile? ,

Again brainwashed one you didn't come up with what happened before 1915... Enlighten me come on...

[CatWoman]

we sent you to desert? show me your proof...

So what kind of proof would satisfy you, tell me? You don't like photographs. You don't like the US and British archives. You don't like survivor testimonies. You don't like eyewitness accounts. You don't like what the U.S. ambassador to Ottoman Empire wrote. And not just that... you don't even like what the historians state! You don't even like what the International Association of Genocide Scholars say! You don't even like what the Holocaust Scholars say!

So what kind of proof would satisfy you?

[thinktwice]

So what kind of proof would satisfy you, tell me? You don't like photographs. You don't like the US and British archives. You don't like survivor testimonies. You don't like eyewitness accounts. You don't like what the U.S. ambassador to Ottoman Empire wrote. And not just that... you don't even like what the historians state! You don't even like what the International Association of Genocide Scholars say! You don't even like what the Holocaust Scholars say!

So what kind of proof would satisfy you?

Survivor Testimonies? Guilty people deny their crime we all know that...

Photographers took a photographes of exiling people, eyewitnesses saw them while they were marching, so what?

Where are British and US archives that proof of something serious and plentiful?
Btw England and US accepted genocide? No i don't think so... Oh don't tell me relationship bullxxxx, i know your answer...

Who are International Association of Genocide Scholars and who are Holocaust Scholars and historians that you are telling me? And what are their proofs that i'm asking you already?

Of course i want written proofs...

[CatWoman]

Survivor Testimonies? Guilty people deny their crime we all know that...

guilty peple? My great grandmother at the age of 5 wasn't old enough to be guilty of anything.

Photographers took a photographes of exiling people, eyewitnesses saw them while they were marching, so what?

No, I was referring to the photographs of starving people in the desert.
No, eyewitnesses saw them when the girls were getting raped, when the men were being beheaded, when pregnant women's stomachs were being torn, and when all the people including the old and the sick were forced out of their homes to march to their deaths.

Where are British and US archives that proof of something serious and plentiful?

US Archives:
United States of America, National Archives and Records Administration
Record Group 59, Record of the Department of State
Decimal File 867, Internal Affairs of Turkey
Decimal File 860J, Internal Affairs of Armenia

British Archives:
United Kingdom, Public Record Office
Foreign Office records Class 371, Diplomatic Records

Go enlighten yourself.

Btw England and US accepted genocide? No i don't think so... Oh don't tell me relationship bullxxxx, i know your answer...

Exactly, so the sources are not biased. Then go read their archives!!!!!

Who are International Association of Genocide Scholars and who are Holocaust Scholars and historians that you are telling me?

Just to name a few:

Yehuda Bauer - Professor of Holocaust Studies, Hebrew University, Jerusalem


Hilmar Kaiser - a German research scholar and historian from the European University Institute in Florence, Italy.


K. Anthony Appiah - Professor of Afro-American studies and Philosophy, Harvard University

Craig Etches ton - Acting director of Cambodian Genocide program, Yale University

Roger W. Smith - history professor at College of William and Mary Williamsburg, Virginia

Raphael Lemkin - Poland, scholar, lawyer, historian; has many writing on genocide and prevention of genocide.

Eric Markusen - history professor at Southwest State University Marshall, Minnesota

Taner AkCam - Turkish historian

Tessa Hoffman - German scholar, PhD of Freie University, Berlin

Robert Jay Lifton - history professor at The City University of New York

Ruth Rosen - a historian and journalist

Irving Horowitz - an expert in the study of genocide at Rutgers University: "It is widely accepted by historians that hundreds of thousands of Armenians were massacred, arbitrarily removed from their historic homeland, and that all traces of their presence were eliminated. We have eyewitness accounts, diplomatic accounts, that huge numbers of people were liquidated, wiped out. De facto, you had a genocide. The bottom line is the Armenians got what they got because they were not a loyal minority.''

Dr. Yair Auron - Israeli scholar and historian

Muge Gocek - Turkish scientist, professor of Michigan University

Jay Winter - Yale University History Professor

Dr. Tessa Hofmann - German scholar, historian and professor of East European Studies at the University of Berlin

Leo Kuper - South Africa, professor of sociology

Charny, Israel W. - Jewish scholar from Israel; Editor-in-Chief of the Encyclopedia of Genocide; Executive Director of the Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide, Jerusalem; Professor of Psychology & Family Therapy, and Founder and Former Director of the Program for Advanced Studies in Integrative Psychotherapy at the Dept. of Psychology & Martin Buber Center, Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

Ambassador David Scheffer - U.S. Ambassador at Large for War Crimes Issues during the second Clinton administration and head of the American delegation to the UN talks on the International Criminal Court.

Adelman, Howard - Canada, Professor of Philosophy, York University

AFOUMADO Diane - Archivist and historian from Paris.

Dr. Michael Berenbaum - formerly the Director of the United States Holocaust Research Institute at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, then Chief Executive Officer of the Shoah Visual History Foundation

Dr. Juan E. Mendez - recently appointed the United Nations Special Adviser on Genocide by Kofi Annan

And what are their proofs that i'm asking you already?

Nothing, they're just paranoid!!!

[thinktwice]

Who is telling you your grandmother's story? And what was her name, birth place do you know that or you just know only how did they send your grandparents to exile?

I can't believe this do you think Turkish people revolted more than 40 times in Anatolia during 1877-1915. How can you show guilty people like innocent?

How can i know if people are armenians or turks in photos? are they carrying armenian sign? Btw they seem like Turks and Kurds to me. Since your grandparents commited massacres in Anatolia against muslims and everybody knows that. They can be our people who suffering...

Show me this well-known archives... If you claiming something then you have to provide clues in your pocket right?

Your Armenian archives closed, French and Russian archives closed what the hell?

I'm not so much time to investigate whole people in this list. But one example enough for me "Taner Akçam". Extreme left-wing once upon a time a leader of "Dev-Yol" (it means revolutionary way) and commited crimes against state and judged. I see you have great historians in your list...

And one last thing brainwashed people, you will get nothing for your efforts...

[TomServo]

By far the most ridiculous accusations ever.

[winoman]

Survivor Testimonies? Guilty people deny their crime we all know that...

Very funny - yes guilty people deny their crime - you said it...

Also I find it interesting that you deny survivor testimonies when you post like accounts and claim them proof of Armenian atrocities against Turks.

You really have no clue as to the plethora of accounts - form all types of eyewitnesses to the CUP/Ottoman/Turkish crimes do you? no clue at all

Photographers took a photographes of exiling people, eyewitnesses saw them while they were marching, so what?

Funny that the main body of photographic evidence was produced by German Armin Wegner who took the pictures at great risk and snuck them out at great risk as such photos were banned and there was complete censorship. Wegner went on to oppose Hitler's rise in Germany as he saw similarities in the NAZI attitudes and treatment of Jews with the Young Turks racist attitudes and treatment of the Armenians.

http://armenianhouse.org/wegner/wegner-en.html

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/photo-wegner/wegnerbio.htm

And again - you have no clue to claim that the various eyewitnesses only saw people marching. Incredible atrocities were witnessed and documented.

Where are British and US archives that proof of something serious and plentiful?
Btw England and US accepted genocide? No i don't think so... Oh don't tell me relationship bullxxxx, i know your answer...

? Yes - very much information is contained in the archives of Britain and the US (and these are wisely available and are published BTW) - as well as Germany and Austria and Russia - that paint a very clear picture....and what is it that you were saying?

Who are International Association of Genocide Scholars and who are Holocaust Scholars and historians that you are telling me? And what are their proofs that i'm asking you already?

hahahahahahahahahaha - yes just who could these people be and what might their credentials be? hahahahahahahahahaha How can we knwo that they know what they are taling about? hahahahahahaha....etc

Of course i want written proofs...

Go F U C K yourself

[winoman]

Who is telling you your grandmother's story? And what was her name, birth place do you know that or you just know only how did they send your grandparents to exile?

You insensitive uncaring stupid a s e h o l e - go f u c k yourself!

I can't believe this do you think Turkish people revolted more than 40 times in Anatolia during 1877-1915. How can you show guilty people like innocent?

The known record of Turkish ahd Kurdish atrocities speaks for itself. That some Armenain communities "revolted" against a horrible system of double taxation - of theft of proerty and women - of the central government refusing to offer basic protection against trepidation from Kurdish brigands and such and that Armenians ill treated just in general and had been indiscriminatly massacred when they bothered to raise voice concerning their rights - well yeah - what would you expect. To call the uprisings of a few isolated communities - that occured 10-15 years prior to the Genocide as justification for such - and to consider that women and children - by the hundreds of thousands - were anything but innocent and deserved horroble death and suffering - well this bespeaks the lowely level you operate at

How can i know if people are armenians or turks in photos? are they carrying armenian sign? Btw they seem like Turks and Kurds to me. Since your grandparents commited massacres in Anatolia against muslims and everybody knows that. They can be our people who suffering...

Yes - a denialist and liar would try to claim such a thing. I hope that you are hit by a car f u c k f a c e!

Show me this well-known archives... If you claiming something then you have to provide clues in your pocket right?

Your Armenian archives closed, French and Russian archives closed what the hell?

You have no idea what you are talking about...HELLLO - Armenian state - DID NOT EXIST IN 1915 idiot! And yes the evidence is known - the crime and the guilt are known.

[QUOTE=thinktwice]I'm not so much time to investigate whole people in this list. But one example enough for me "Taner Akçam". Extreme left-wing once upon a time a leader of "Dev-Yol" (it means revolutionary way) and commited crimes against state and judged. I see you have great historians in your list...

Of course he has "commited crimes against state" he has admitted the Armenian Genocide - and that is a crime in your police state. You are a fu ck in g joke

And one last thing brainwashed people, you will get nothing for your efforts...

You are the one making the effort here that obvioulsy will get no where. Please just go away. We are well aware of the facts and understand this matter to degrees far beyond you. You are a joke to us. You are insulting to the memory of our slain forefathers. You are attempting to perpetuate Genocide in what you do. You have no clue.