Harbord Report - American Military Mission to Armenia

[thinktwice]

hey winoman, crimson glow i'm still waiting for your archives...

[winoman]

It's more than "a few", actually a few hundred thousand Turks killed by Armenians.

Everything (killings of Turks) didn't take place only during 1915-1916, my ancestors moved out of Erzurum vicinity in 1912 because of the Armenian threat.

I've seen this list - it is laughable. Multiple counts of the same place (with even same report number with differing - increasing amounts - by facotrs of 10) - one known and documented case of fabrication has been shown regarding Van. Numbers excede populations - and there is no verification of these laughable figures. And funny that these few Armenians (as Turks putting foreward how few there were) could have killed so many Turks - it is entirely unbleiievable and no one accepts it except for some of you deluded Turks (but keep on touting it - makes you look silly and in denial - as you are - on both counts) More honest estimates I have seen range from 10-30,000 Turkish killed by Armenians and by Russians etc

[winoman]

hey winoman, crimson glow i'm still waiting for your archives...

MY archives?

Get it through your head noThink - there was no Armenia until 1918! There are no archives. As for Dashnak and other political parties....what archives? give me a break. German, Austian, English, French and American archives are all acessible regarding this issue - in fact I have major excepts from the Americna archives (in print) - and German archives are available on line - and I have posted from such and already given the link.

So hold your breath - thats it - keep holding...

[thinktwice]

oh yea deny winoman.

why don't you go and ask Koçaryan?

why don't you go and ask to your political(!) parties?

Everybody knows that if you open your archives common we'll see your guilty in all terms.

Maybe you should hold your breath eh?

[winoman]

oh yea deny winoman.

why don't you go and ask Koçaryan?

why don't you go and ask to your political(!) parties?

Everybody knows that if you open your archives common we'll see your guilty in all terms.

Maybe you should hold your breath eh?

Why don't you ask the Wizard of OZ if he has found a brain for you yet?

[thinktwice]

Is there any public statement (from Armenia, Tasnak, Hincak, Ram-Gavar) for your WE DON'T HAVE ANY ARCHIVE! lie...

[winoman]

Is there any public statement (from Armenia, Tasnak, Hincak, Ram-Gavar) for your WE DON'T HAVE ANY ARCHIVE! lie...

Why should there be - there was no nation of Armenia before 1918 - so no archives. The other's are not nations and regardless - even the Turkish "Archives" are not of the same category of that of the US, Germany or Britain. Just skwawking about opening of archives is meaningless - particualry when US, Brisish, German and Austrian archives are available and have been reviewed and much of the evidence of the Genocide is contained in these places. You really are just a broken record playing a nonsensicle song...

[thinktwice]

I see you will deny forever. You are pathetic winoman...

Do you know what, since my first post (i remember it was named "treachery") you couldn't prove me anything about your granparent's crimes during 1877-1920...

Your misleading stories cannot hide your grandparent's crimes...

[Crimson Glow]

I see you will deny forever. You are pathetic winoman...

Whoa! If I didn't know who winoman was, I'd swear you were referring to a Turk!

Oh, and yes. You're right. We've never denied that our grandparents/greatgrandparents were guilty of crimes of murder since 1877....if self defense from an elitest Ottoman Empire who felt only Muslims should live in peace within their boarders is considered murder.

Oh no, WAIT! That's right, I forgot. They lived in peace, side by side for centuries! And then the Armenians for no reason what so ever decided to revolt/rebel. I keep forgetting that part. Maybe because it makes no sense, but what the hey. The Turks know better, right? Only their extremely limited favorable evidence is the truth. Forget the rest of the world, because everyone else on this planet is part of some worldwide political conspiracy against the Turks, so they're all LIARS!

[winoman]

Crimson - these attitudes are a testament to the lack of Turkish understanding of their own history. They fail to understand the CUP revolution or know the role of the Armenian political parties in supporting it. Turks and Armenians were for a (brief) time united in opposing the Sultan and had common aims (modernization and equality and wish for law and order - not arbitrary decries and corruption of the Sultan) - unfortunatly - like many revolutions - the extremists prove more zealots and to support their own power grab and legitimacy and to deflect attention on their failures (and betryal of the people) they turn to scapegoat. The Pan-Turan dreams (and xenophobic fears) that they had also allowed a justification for the brutality against the Armenians and layed foundation for exaggerated charges and justifications that the Turks who have invaded this forum still believe and repeat to this day.