Harbord Report - American Military Mission to Armenia

[TUR-Friend]

Yeah! Why did we bother Turkifying these guys anyways? I mean, we're already pretty phucking crowded, what's the point of adding up some freakin foreign garbage into a wonderfully dense population? Those stupid old Turkish policy makes... I hate them, arrrgghhh!

[winoman]

Hm - sounds so familiar....

"Wake up white people"

"There are nigga-Turks in our midsts"

"I mean, we're already pretty phucking crowded, what's the point of adding up some freakin foreign garbage into a wonderfully dense population?"

etc

[TUR-Friend]

What now? Lost your sense of humor? Stop being so serious bro, you're gonna have a freakin heart attack. You should smile at these things, I'm just trying to break the ice here. Cheers!

[IAmMadAtAC]

Everything (killings of Turks) didn't take place only during 1915-1916, my ancestors moved out of Erzurum vicinity in 1912 because of the Armenian threat.

I noticed in another thread you said that you lost "a part of your family" during this time period to Armenians. I'd like to know more details, as we delve into this past you claim. Who were there, where were they living. How many people, how were they related to you. Do you know their specific stories? Just telling us that "a part of your family was killed", and expecting that to be proof that the Armenians genociding the Turks, is absurd. I want to hear the details you know of your family's suffering at the hands of the bloody Armenians.

[winoman]

I noticed in another thread you said that you lost "a part of your family" during this time period to Armenians. I'd like to know more details, as we delve into this past you claim. Who were there, where were they living. How many people, how were they related to you. Do you know their specific stories? Just telling us that "a part of your family was killed", and expecting that to be proof that the Armenians genociding the Turks, is absurd. I want to hear the details you know of your family's suffering at the hands of the bloody Armenians.

Not sure he is still around. Besides I twice asked for such details. Somewhere he says they looked around for soem village - that he couldn't/didn't name etc and said they couldn't find anything. Seems to me he is lacking in details. I would even question the 1912 date - though perhaps it is possible. Also many Turks were killed by Russian forces that the Turkish propoganda machine turned in Armenians. There is no doubt that innocent Turkish villagers and many villages themselves were destroyed - but this was primarily due Russian action and policy. Armenian units also did such after 1916 as they lacked proper discipline and control.

[Crimson Glow]

Also many Turks were killed by Russian forces that the Turkish propoganda machine turned into Armenians. There is no doubt that innocent Turkish villagers and many villages themselves were destroyed - but this was primarily due Russian action and policy.

This is the part that cracks me up when Turks use this argument as one of thier very weak attempts to "justify" the Ottoman Empire's actions. I love how they turned the total number of Turks killed (soldiers and villagers alike) by ALL the rebelling minorities, AND the advancing Russian army (who did the VAST majority of killing) into Armenian kill figures. I mean....think about it for a second. It doesn't strike the Turks as a tad bit ridiculous that a minority with a population of around 2 million (before 1915), with no centralized government to give orders or organize attacks, and most of their weapons turned in, was able to kill 500,000 Turkish members of the almighty Ottoman Empire by themselves?? I mean, if this is true, there's only 2 possibilities this argument presents, neither of which is something the Turks would like to admit to, even though they set themselves up for it. Either:

1. The 500,000 Turks killed by Armenians is a grossly exaggerated figure, and is actually including and blaming the Armenians for Turks murdered by ALL minorities AND the advancing Russian army, or

2. The 500,000 Turks killed by Armenians IS an accurate figure, making Armenians the greatest fighters ever known on the face of the planet, since this minority of 2 million was able to kill a quarter of that amount of their enemies.

So which one is it?

More examples of what I mentioned several times on this forum, about how I found most Turkish arguments to be damning to themselves during my extensive research on this subject.

[winoman]

...most Turkish arguments to be damning to themselves during my extensive research on this subject.

Exactly - it is quite funny to see how rediculous they look telling us to "stop denying" the "Genocide of Turks perpetuated by the Armenians" I have recounted much of these accusations and goings on in this forum to my wife who is not Armenian and she is incredulous - and cannot at all understand how even brainwashed Turks could believe that these type of silly accusations would do anything but convince folks just how bankrupt their positions are. But I guess the fact that Anatolia has been entirely cleansed of Turks lends some credence to their arguments - eh

[winoman]

http://www.theforgotten.org/denial/

CG - I think you are not giving the Turks their due - it was 3 million Turks who were killed by Armenians (oh and Greeks aparently killed some too) - I have the (Turkish) proof of such in front of me right now. See the picture on the linked web page - well - the picture proves it. Those Turks are holding up a bnanner which says it - so it must be true!

[IAmMadAtAC]

Either:

1. The 500,000 Turks killed by Armenians is a grossly exaggerated figure, and is actually including and blaming the Armenians for Turks murdered by ALL minorities AND the advancing Russian army, or

2. The 500,000 Turks killed by Armenians IS an accurate figure, making Armenians the greatest fighters ever known on the face of the planet, since this minority of 2 million was able to kill a quarter of that amount of their enemies.

I've been saying the same thing forever, I don't know why the Turks can't figure out how ridiculous their claims are... Turks like to say that the maximum numbers of Turks were killed by the minimum number of Armenians. They like to refute that 1.5 million Armenians could have been killed because there were only 600-900 thousand in the empire. So cut this in half to account for women, down to 300-450 thousand. Cut those in half for old men and children and you get 150-225 thousand men of a killing age. So that means, even if every single Armenian man got up and left their village to kill Turks, in order to murder the 2-3 million Turks that are claimed Armenians killed, each one would have to kill a minimum 10 Turks. This of course would mean if every single one got up, left their families, just to kill Turks. Even the Turks admit that many Armenian men died in the "hardships", and on top of that I think they know the Armenians had been disarmed for the most part prior to 1915. What they claim is so unfactual its ridiculous, and yet they are so blind to anything except the government-fed line they wouldn't dare investigate it further. Of course they now are calling for an "investigation", which in a land where calling it the Armenian Genocide a genocide is a crime to begin with, I cannot imagine getting anywhere at all.

[Armen2008]

Re: Harbord Report - American Military Mission to Armenia

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