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  • #51
    Fadix, you did not understand anything from my post and started to post those reactionary genocide things as soon as you read as I said above. Just be calm and stop to believe that I deny genocide or I am a Turk. Calm down, just relax, it is OK.
    The question is not your genocide religion. Although I believe that CUP committed a genocide to Armenians, this genocide thing has turned into a cancerous obsession among your people. Stop this we are victim, Turks genocided us syndrome and try to see yourself from outside. At 1970's and 80's you believe that you have right to kill innocent Turks because Turkish government deny genocide. And now you tuned it into we devote our national identity on Turkish hatred because they deny genocide. World is changing and Turkey will accept genocide at a day maybe. What will you do then? How can you continue your national identity on this kind of obsession about another nation? Don't you see that you are being used by anti-Turkish groups? See that those "barbaric, asiatic Turks" are evaluating but your diaspora is declining, you have to show another national goal to your new generations other than Turkish hatred. Or you will be assimilated and dissapear soon which I never want. Armenian culture is a respectful culture and have to survive but this is not a way for it. You damage your own society with this blind hatred.

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    • #52
      I agree with you at a lot of points. Almost all Armenian nation is dissapeared from anatolia, and yes many Turks or Kurds became rich from Armenian properties. Turkey have to face with its history and shameful parts of the past. OK, no problem.

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      • #53
        1- My post was an answer to your post.
        2- I don't have a national identity other then fealing being from Quebec.
        3- I don't hate people on social construct basis(ethnicity etc.)
        4- I never killed anyone, neither in the 70s, 80s, or anytime.
        5- From this answer, you indicate lacking of abstrait thinking.

        Note, I think you're intelligent enough to understand why I bolded certain things.

        Originally posted by cumanicus
        Fadix, you did not understand anything from my post and started to post those reactionary genocide things as soon as you read as I said above. Just be calm and stop to believe that I deny genocide or I am a Turk. Calm down, just relax, it is OK.
        The question is not your genocide religion. Although I believe that CUP committed a genocide to Armenians, this genocide thing has turned into a cancerous obsession among your people. Stop this we are victim, Turks genocided us syndrome and try to see yourself from outside. At 1970's and 80's you believe that you have right to kill innocent Turks because Turkish government deny genocide. And now you tuned it into we devote our national identity on Turkish hatred because they deny genocide. World is changing and Turkey will accept genocide at a day maybe. What will you do then? How can you continue your national identity on this kind of obsession about another nation? Don't you see that you are being used by anti-Turkish groups? See that those "barbaric, asiatic Turks" are evaluating but your diaspora is declining, you have to show another national goal to your new generations other than Turkish hatred. Or you will be assimilated and dissapear soon which I never want. Armenian culture is a respectful culture and have to survive but this is not a way for it. You damage your own society with this blind hatred.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by cumanicus
          I agree with you at a lot of points. Almost all Armenian nation is dissapeared from anatolia, and yes many Turks or Kurds became rich from Armenian properties. Turkey have to face with its history and shameful parts of the past. OK, no problem.
          cumanicus, I don't mind talking to you in a civil manner. I'm not a racist, but I do hate your nation and the clowns who run it. If Algerians who hate the French or the Indians who hate the British are also racists to you then that's your problem. By the way, neither of these two nor any but a handful of cases in modern history are comparable to the Armenian Genocide. Add to that the fact that your nation is blatanly blackmailing and buying its way into the lies and you can hopefully see how easy it is for us to have the feelings we have towards Turkey.

          I must say that this hatred defines my identity the same way that a disdain for wolves defines the life of a farmer. Not much at all. What defines us is our past, our present and hopes for a brighter future. Unfortunately for us, Turks have played a mighty evil and barbaric role in our past and are playing a cowardly and disgusting role in our present. Pardon us if we don't want Turks to play any role in our future.

          I appreciate the fact that it's hard for Turks to create dialogue on this forum with the likes of me. But I'm not here to discuss the irrefutable truth with Turks who want to believe it's a lie and arrogantly want us, the children and grandchildren and grandgrandchildren of survivors, to believe the lies as well. Only an idiot or a nationalistic pig would expect this from us.
          Last edited by karoaper; 11-08-2005, 03:54 PM.

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          • #55
            I look at things more in a modern geopolitical sense. I know that might is right, there is no other law. cumanicus can be a nice turk, but what's the relevance. Seriously, what is the relevance? Turkey is still an enemy -- and not because of the genocide or denying the genocide. There is a Republic of Armenia that exists -- and she is under threat.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by wohlkahn
              Well it's actually a summary of your history, so it doesnt matter from where I've copy-pasted it. You are making a deadly mistake by denying your own history.This is very pitiful...



              Thanx (really) for telling me this. It gives me a very good reason to hate you.
              Cos we turks cannot hate people without a reason (like you). This is not compatible with our traditions and morals.

              (Let me guess, you dont agree again? ) This historical saying is my proof :

              German General Bronsart:
              "Unless they are forced, Turks are the world's most tolerant people towards those of other religions. "
              I missed that one and thought I should answer.

              I will just suggest you the next time to not use Bronsart, who was an adherent of the basis of German racist ideologies of the beggining of the last century, who thought Armenians and J.ews were parasits sucking other peoples blood.

              Here, since you like quoting him, let quote little bit more from him. Have fun.

              “Namely, the Armenian is just like the J.ews, a parasite outside the confines of his homeland, sucking off the marrow of the people of the host country. Year after year they abandon their native land—just like the Polish J.ews who migrate to Germany—to engage in usurious activities. Hence the hatred which, in a medieval form, has unleashed itself against them as an unpleasant people, entailing their murder.” (Source:A. A. Bonn. Goppert Papers (Nachlass), vol. VI, file 5 (files 1-Cool, p. 4, February 10,1919)) .

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              • #57
                well if they just didnt give the land away that would be one thing.

                but instead of just refruseing the armenian independance they also killed millions of innocent people.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by skhara
                  I look at things more in a modern geopolitical sense. I know that might is right, there is no other law. cumanicus can be a nice turk, but what's the relevance. Seriously, what is the relevance? Turkey is still an enemy -- and not because of the genocide or denying the genocide. There is a Republic of Armenia that exists -- and she is under threat.
                  not to mention of economic strain the turks put on the republic.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by ArmenianKid
                    not to mention of economic strain the turks put on the republic.
                    Of coarse they do. It is in their geopolitical and geostrategic interests to do so. If they had been entirely successful there would not be an Armenia. Armenia as a nation is entity that just gets in their way. Armenia's strength and prosperity is a threat to them -- they know it. Everything that they do, they do to undermine Armenia -- we do the same. It is a fight, nothing less than that. And I support my team.

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                    • #60
                      cumanicus - I have nothing further to add here. If you or attaturk lover cannot understand what I have posted and can only come up with the same comebacks accusing me and Armenians of being obsessed or what have you - then you are not deserving of my time. And again it is particularly not appreciated that you ignore the facts (that I, fadix and others have posted) and continue on with the same Goerhing like claims of blaming the victims - even after the proof of their having been slaughtered by "the master race" is pretty much known by all...

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