single question?

[Anonymouse]

Re: single question?

Mr. Anoymouse, please please we are talking about 1,5 million bodies, and you say "many of bodies dumped in rivers and burried in deserd lands",1,5 million bodies? Is it a logical explanation?

Don't "please please please" me. Genocides never have been or are matters of logic. The fact that you are asking such a question is only indicative of your ignorance. Do you know how many millions of people died in World War II? If we apply your same logic we may conclude that the numbers as stated are false because we did not see them.

Also, As I see, Turkish goverment always says "We have already opened our archives to those who claim there was a genocide. If they are sincere, they should also open theirs. This would allow historians to work on documents on both sides and team of historians from both sides should conduct studies in these archieves"11 March 2005.

Where has the Turkish government said it's archives are open? You like to state unsubstantiated assertions but everyone knows that the Turkish archives are only open to the pro-Turkish historian with the Turkish government's seal of approval. Why have international independent scholars not been allowed?

However Armenian side says there is no need to discuss the Armenian allegations, because they are already proven. Armenian Foreign Minister Oskanyan said the problem is political and Armenia does not need to discuss the ‘genocide’ argument with the Turkish side.

Then why does Turkey persecute people who mention genocide? Why hamper on free speech? Why does it close its archives? Why pay millions to foreign 'academics' to spin the Turkish lie? Such is not the behavior of someone who is confident in their position.

I wonder if Turkey said "we were massacred by Russians or (any country) and we dont need to discuss this,Our historians prove genocide",would it be logical? In my opinion,as these prejudices go on,we cant solve this problem.I wonder that If Minister Oskanyan really prove a genocide, why he don't prove the genocide in this international argument forum turkey suggested, so the whole world can learn the true, ha?. and now could you tell me which side is in disagreement?and which side want to solve this problem?

I think you are so blinded by your allegiance to your government that you cannot even be bothered. You keep spouting the word "logical", yet I'm not even sure you know its meaning or the context you're using it in. The fact of the matter is, the only one that has been unwilling to discuss has been the Turkish government because of its paranoid and desperate behaviors as I already highlighted above. If it was truly sincere in its discussion offer, it would allow people in Turkey, journalists and researchers, to freely discuss it and not jail them and prosecute them. It would also open its archives to international researchers.

[platana]

Re: single question?

Would the family of a murder victim hold discussions with the family of the killer, which claim his innocence and that in fact the killer was the victim, to come to a conclusion on the matter?

Turkish people are so smart, you should know better.

So if I said, "in contrast Armenians massacred turks, and so far 186 mass graves of turks was found in the East Anatolian Region,but no one could find so called 1,5 million massacred armenians anywhere in the world, so I never discuss this subject anyone because it came about according to our researches" Could it solve this problem? Oh God! it is a vicious circle!
If armanians feel themselves victim, so they prove this to the whole world in the platform in which both sides' historians can conduct studies as turkiye suggested two years ago (and Armenian FM Oskanyan refused, by saying “There is no need to discuss with the Turkish historians”) ,by this way armanians have a chance to put an end to all allegations and show that they are right about their allegations to the whole world if they are right....I can't see this suggestion any drawback...

[Anonymouse]

Re: single question?

So if I said, "in contrast Armenians massacred turks, and so far 186 mass graves of turks was found in the East Anatolian Region,but no one could find so called 1,5 million massacred armenians anywhere in the world, so I never discuss this subject anyone because it came about according to our researches" Could it solve this problem? Oh God! it is a vicious circle!

Settle down. You are becoming way too emotional for your own good. You accuse Armenians of genocide obsession yet look at you here. You're about to lose yourself.

First, where have these alleged "186 mass graves" been found? What study corroborated this? Was it a Turkish study backed by government money, or an international group of researches that had no affiliations with Turkey? Second, how do we know those people are Turks? You find some mass graves a century after the genocide and you can actually tell if they are Turkish or Armenian? Unless they were just killed and you can get close enough to see if they are circumcised there is no way you can tell if they are Turks. Unless of course they each had their personal little Koran with them as they died, which could mean they may as well be Kurds killed by Turks, which is definitely not the case. Either way, you need to stop pulling the bullshit card constantly.

If armanians feel themselves victim, so they prove this to the whole world in the platform in which both sides' historians can conduct studies as turkiye suggested two years ago (and Armenian FM Oskanyan refused, by saying “There is no need to discuss with the Turkish historians”) ,by this way armanians have a chance to put an end to all allegations and show that they are right about their allegations to the whole world if they are right....I can't see this suggestion any drawback...

You keep spouting the same thing but do you ever pay attention or listen to what the other side says? Or is this a uniquely Turkish phenomenon in which those that disagree are never heard?

How many times must I state that Turkey has never opened its archives to international researchers, not even Armenians. It has been reluctant because it knows truth can stand on its own weight. Why do you think Oskanian said what he said? Obviously the Turkish historian can freely go into the Turkish archive and cherry pick the information they want that is beneficial to them, while the other side is deprived of the same means. And I like your deaf silence on how Turkey prosecuted its own citizens such as Orhan Pamuk or Hrant Dink. So much for Turkey's claims that truth stands on its own weight, eh?

[platana]

Re: single question?

Oh God! You have known nothing for two years. As you see in below Türkiye opened its archives two years ago, so it means that you behave prejudicedly a lot. (I didn't say unlogically )

How many times must I state that Turkey has never opened its archives to international researchers, not even Armenians.

The position of Turkey
The Republic of Turkey does not accept that the deaths of Armenians during the "evacuation" or "deportation" (Turkey uses the word "relocation") are the results of an intention from Ottoman authorities (or those in charge during the war) to eliminate in whole or in part the Armenian people indiscriminently.

In March 2005, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan invited Turkish, Armenian and international historians to form a Commission to establish the events of 1915. The offer was rejected by Armenia and its foreign minister remarked that "The historians have already said their piece and it is now down to Turkey to determine its attitude."[10]
Address: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide


Everytime the side which suggest something is turkiye but the side which refuses is armenians. turkiye said that international independent scholars and historians from both side should conduct studies (11 March 2005)(if you don’t believe you can research on internet) but as I said, Minister Oskanyan refused that suggestion. Ok. armanians dont accept turks suggestions, so why armanians couldn't make any suggestion so far, even one suggestion.Now that they refuse everything, they should suggest something.Meanwhile,you said turkiye doesn’t open its archives I want to learn when you went to Turkiye and weren't allowed to see turk archives or who went to turkiye and couldn't see archives? Opening the turkiye's archives was declared 11 March 2005 formally by turkiye president, what about armenian archives?
Also, as you said; a turkish writer Orhan Pamuk accepted so called genocide with the aim of winning Nobel Prize, he couldn't but he achieve to advertise himself to Europe and he is a well-known fiction writer in Europe,but he is only a novel or fiction writer, not a historian, not a researcher or a scientist he is only a novel writer, it is very ridiculous(I dont say "unlogical" ) Nevertheless, there can be conferances in Bilgi University, Boğaziçi University … and Tv programs in turkiye and of course a lot of negative reactions come about,but What about armenia? any confeance any program...nothing! Armenia is like a closed box, armanians have a fixed idea and they don’t accept any other, armanians is closed towards the other opinions, so this vicious circle will go on unless they discuss about this event…

[Anonymouse]

Re: single question?

Oh God! You have known nothing for two years. As you see in below Türkiye opened its archives two years ago, so it means that you behave prejudicedly a lot. (I didn't say unlogically )

The position of Turkey
The Republic of Turkey does not accept that the deaths of Armenians during the "evacuation" or "deportation" (Turkey uses the word "relocation") are the results of an intention from Ottoman authorities (or those in charge during the war) to eliminate in whole or in part the Armenian people indiscriminently.

In March 2005, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan invited Turkish, Armenian and international historians to form a Commission to establish the events of 1915. The offer was rejected by Armenia and its foreign minister remarked that "The historians have already said their piece and it is now down to Turkey to determine its attitude."[10]
Address: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide


Everytime the side which suggest something is turkiye but the side which refuses is armenians. turkiye said that international independent scholars and historians from both side should conduct studies (11 March 2005)(if you don’t believe you can research on internet) but as I said, Minister Oskanyan refused that suggestion. Ok. armanians dont accept turks suggestions, so why armanians couldn't make any suggestion so far, even one suggestion.Now that they refuse everything, they should suggest something.Meanwhile,you said turkiye doesn’t open its archives I want to learn when you went to Turkiye and weren't allowed to see turk archives or who went to turkiye and couldn't see archives? Opening the turkiye's archives was declared 11 March 2005 formally by turkiye president, what about armenian archives?

Nice try, but that only works on morons. Citing Erdogan's call to "form a commission" is not the same thing as allowing people to freely enter the archives. I don't know where your reading comprehension is, but it takes quite a stretch of imagination (no doubt Turkish imagination) to stretch that out to mean another thing. Using typical Turkish bait and switch techniques you think you can come here and spin a web of lies but it doesn't fly. One thing does not imply the other.

Also, as you said; a turkish writer Orhan Pamuk accepted so called genocide with the aim of winning Nobel Prize, he couldn't but he achieve to advertise himself to Europe and he is a well-known fiction writer in Europe,but he is only a novel or fiction writer, not a historian, not a researcher or a scientist he is only a novel writer, it is very ridiculous(I dont say "unlogical" ) Nevertheless, there can be conferances in Bilgi University, Boğaziçi University … and Tv programs in turkiye and of course a lot of negative reactions come about,but What about armenia? any confeance any program...nothing! Armenia is like a closed box, armanians have a fixed idea and they don’t accept any other, armanians is closed towards the other opinions, so this vicious circle will go on unless they discuss about this event…

Nice attempt at trying to deflect criticism of Turkey's anti-intellectualism and trying to point to Armenia. The fact is, it is irrelevant what Pamuk's motives or intents were, the fact that he and others were silenced is only reflective of the Turkish governments fear. For if truth can stand, why the need to prosecute and make it a crime to claim the Armenian Genocide as truth in Turkey? If Turkey has all the "evidence" on its side of its innocence, why the need to behave in such a manner? It only lends credence to the view that Turkey has something to hide and it infuriates the Turkic nationalist types like yourself.

[EMRE]

Re: single question?

Would the family of a murder victim hold discussions with the family of the killer, which claim his innocence and that in fact the killer was the victim, to come to a conclusion on the matter?

Turkish people are so smart, you should know better.

hahaha really terrible!!!!but,these are nasty azeris!!!we are noble turks,why did you show this video I cant understand....

[TomServo]

Re: single question?

but,these are nasty azeris!!!we are noble turks

Same shyt, different toilet?

[karoaper]

Re: single question?

Same shyt, different toilet?

yes but it's a tolerant and democratic toilet and evidently very noble shyte.

[arabico]

Re: single question?

woooww... Did you seek every pile in Syria? it is very unlogical answer...

huh? your question is illogical, not my answer. I've been to der-zoir and I've seen the skeleton piles. what's the illogical here?

These were discovered by local arabs who reported it to the syrian government. The government then donated these lands to armenian patriark in Aleppo. I am sure there are other mass graves inside Turkey but you have to be very stupid to believe that Turks would not cover them up long time ago once they were discovered.

[Sip]

Re: single question?

I read this whole thread and Anonymouse has made some great points. Platana, you should really rethink what you want to say because none of what you have said so far makes any sense and some of it is just plain wrong.