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  • #1

    Turk

    Hi everyone,

    It is obvious that the people here in this forum, by historical, family-related or other reasons, could/would never renovate their ideas about the "Genocide" nor their subjectif opinion towards the Turkish People.

    So my goal is not to deny, not to prove, not to change but just to
    express my approach to the subject from a different point of view.

    Myself, born in late 70s, can assure u that, no information but geographical about "Armenia" was given to me during my primary, high-school, university or family education in this country. Nothing bad, nothing good.

    I knew that my 2 classmates were Armenians, but i also had xxxish friends, no difference for me then others.. Just different names..

    If u ask about "Armenian Problem", it was and still is far too behind Economical, Kurdish, Islamist, Cyprus, EU problems in this country except the days like Today, when French or Swiss or other countries bring up front by political reasons.

    By default, we think that there were no genocide but two-sided massacres, people was killed in reason of helping enemy armies.. as you guys, by default think there was A Genocide. But this subject never became a big one at all for an ordinary turkish.

    I first "really" realized that there were a problem, and i was really, really shocked, when i was in a summer school in the US, 1998, we were like 10-15multi-national people sitting in a café including 2 armenian boys, 1 armenian girl.

    The funny thing is that, we were chatting about different things, but they didnt knew i was turkish, and then when they knew, the boys left!

    I have spent most of my summers in summer schools worldwide, met a lot of different people, different religion, race. All kind of discussions, sometimes small fights but that was the first time i was clearly discriminated!

    Back to the story, the girl stayed, and we spent the whole night there talking about the Subject. She told me about the stories her grandmother told her and i was really suprised about the hatred ordinary Armenian livin in Armenia has towards Turks. At the end we became friends with her and 1 of the boys as the interesting part of the story ends..

    Then i started to research the subject, unfortunately, i couldn't prove or disprove anything to myself, and at the end, i realized that it is more political then historical.

    The discussions in this forum also proves it is..

    Sadly, this political conflict, damaging both sides, won't bring anything to Armenian people, except being a puppet of Western Europen geo-politic strategy in the region.

    You beleive or not, just 5 days ago, last Sunday, we were in a marriage ceremony in one of the churches in Istanbul, between my wife's armenian co-worker Talyn and a muslim turkish guy.. Her brother Ari happens to be my ex- teammate in Galatasaray WaterPolo team..

    The armenian people here in Turkey, we are teammates, classmates, co-workers, buisness partners. They live good, not discriminated at all, go to the good schools, play in good teams, find jobs like any Turkish and free to practice their religion.

    Like any other world-citizen who doesn't give up of love of his ancestors, but care about self-educating, raising a family, being useful and so on.. instead of looking out for some more "land".

    So i ask myself.. and the people around me.. I read turkish newspapers, hear politicians.. If no hatred was educated to us in any historical or contemporary way, how come we decided to Genocide, remove Armenians from the surface of Earth less then a century ago but today we feel nothing towards them? How come that an Empire, being referred to Armenians as "millet-i sadika" (loyal nation) decides to "kill them'all"?

    Imagine you have war with Turkey, and there are Turkish soldiers hanging around armenian streets, and french people livin in your country helps them raping your sisters, moms, daughters.. Won't you kill your french neihbor next door? Maybe yes maybe not but this is the Turkish view on the subject. And this picture cannot be named genocide..

    If you say the picture i draw is bullxxxx, theres nothing i can do, thats what i beleive, thats what i was told. As you were told something else.. Same as religion..

    These questions, you have the no-doubt answers, i unfortunately don't.

    But i know something:

    For those who are looking for an apologize, a fact to be admitted, a crime to be named, this should be worked on..

    In an international platform, by the Historians!

    Those will be my brothers and sisters for eternity, even our word for "tomato" and many more are the same anyway..

    But those who are looking for something else, they will always find a strong force facing them.

    In our long long history, we turkish people never became a minority, never was treated as second-class citizen in our lands.. So its a bit hard to understand the way you feel, don't blame us for this.

    But if u wanna change your destiny? Change it yourself!

    You dream for someone else to breakdown a good Company, establish a new one instead, and make you the owner

    The good company is a GOOD one, and the GUY, he says that you'll be the owner, but doesn't give a xxxx about you

    Work hard, upgrade your league, and come to play with these guys yourself!

    In the meantime, don't disturb Turkish nor Armenian citizens of Turkish Republic 'cos they live happily here!
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  • #2
    Re: Turk

    Originally posted by AVC
    Hi everyone,

    It is obvious that the people here in this forum, by historical, family-related or other reasons, could/would never renovate their ideas about the "Genocide" nor their subjectif opinion towards the Turkish People.

    So my goal is not to deny, not to prove, not to change but just to
    express my approach to the subject from a different point of view.

    Myself, born in late 70s, can assure u that, no information but geographical about "Armenia" was given to me during my primary, high-school, university or family education in this country. Nothing bad, nothing good.

    I knew that my 2 classmates were Armenians, but i also had xxxish friends, no difference for me then others.. Just different names..

    If u ask about "Armenian Problem", it was and still is far too behind Economical, Kurdish, Islamist, Cyprus, EU problems in this country except the days like Today, when French or Swiss or other countries bring up front by political reasons.

    By default, we think that there were no genocide but two-sided massacres, people was killed in reason of helping enemy armies.. as you guys, by default think there was A Genocide. But this subject never became a big one at all for an ordinary turkish.

    I first "really" realized that there were a problem, and i was really, really shocked, when i was in a summer school in the US, 1998, we were like 10-15multi-national people sitting in a café including 2 armenian boys, 1 armenian girl.

    The funny thing is that, we were chatting about different things, but they didnt knew i was turkish, and then when they knew, the boys left!

    I have spent most of my summers in summer schools worldwide, met a lot of different people, different religion, race. All kind of discussions, sometimes small fights but that was the first time i was clearly discriminated!

    Back to the story, the girl stayed, and we spent the whole night there talking about the Subject. She told me about the stories her grandmother told her and i was really suprised about the hatred ordinary Armenian livin in Armenia has towards Turks. At the end we became friends with her and 1 of the boys as the interesting part of the story ends..

    Then i started to research the subject, unfortunately, i couldn't prove or disprove anything to myself, and at the end, i realized that it is more political then historical.

    The discussions in this forum also proves it is..

    Sadly, this political conflict, damaging both sides, won't bring anything to Armenian people, except being a puppet of Western Europen geo-politic strategy in the region.

    You beleive or not, just 5 days ago, last Sunday, we were in a marriage ceremony in one of the churches in Istanbul, between my wife's armenian co-worker Talyn and a muslim turkish guy.. Her brother Ari happens to be my ex- teammate in Galatasaray WaterPolo team..

    The armenian people here in Turkey, we are teammates, classmates, co-workers, buisness partners. They live good, not discriminated at all, go to the good schools, play in good teams, find jobs like any Turkish and free to practice their religion.

    Like any other world-citizen who doesn't give up of love of his ancestors, but care about self-educating, raising a family, being useful and so on.. instead of looking out for some more "land".

    So i ask myself.. and the people around me.. I read turkish newspapers, hear politicians.. If no hatred was educated to us in any historical or contemporary way, how come we decided to Genocide, remove Armenians from the surface of Earth less then a century ago but today we feel nothing towards them? How come that an Empire, being referred to Armenians as "millet-i sadika" (loyal nation) decides to "kill them'all"?

    Imagine you have war with Turkey, and there are Turkish soldiers hanging around armenian streets, and french people livin in your country helps them raping your sisters, moms, daughters.. Won't you kill your french neihbor next door? Maybe yes maybe not but this is the Turkish view on the subject. And this picture cannot be named genocide..

    If you say the picture i draw is bullxxxx, theres nothing i can do, thats what i beleive, thats what i was told. As you were told something else.. Same as religion..

    These questions, you have the no-doubt answers, i unfortunately don't.

    But i know something:

    For those who are looking for an apologize, a fact to be admitted, a crime to be named, this should be worked on..

    In an international platform, by the Historians!

    Those will be my brothers and sisters for eternity, even our word for "tomato" and many more are the same anyway..

    But those who are looking for something else, they will always find a strong force facing them.

    In our long long history, we turkish people never became a minority, never was treated as second-class citizen in our lands.. So its a bit hard to understand the way you feel, don't blame us for this.

    But if u wanna change your destiny? Change it yourself!

    You dream for someone else to breakdown a good Company, establish a new one instead, and make you the owner

    The good company is a GOOD one, and the GUY, he says that you'll be the owner, but doesn't give a xxxx about you

    Work hard, upgrade your league, and come to play with these guys yourself!

    In the meantime, don't disturb Turkish nor Armenian citizens of Turkish Republic 'cos they live happily here!

    If you really want to know why Armenians have such hatred for Turks please read the following thread which sums it up:

    http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?t=7959


    I realize you probably won't read it but if you truly want to understand why there is this emnity today, you'll do it.

    My wife is from Istanbul and Turks generally look at things with rose colored glasses regarding Armenians. Armenians are held in esteem as long as they keep their mouths shut and do not disturb the status quo. BTW, if Turkey was such a tolerant place there would not be som many issues with the Kurds as well.

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    • #3
      Re: Turk

      Originally posted by RSNATION
      If you really want to know why Armenians have such hatred for Turks please read the following thread which sums it up:

      http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?t=7959


      I realize you probably won't read it but if you truly want to understand why there is this emnity today, you'll do it.

      My wife is from Istanbul and Turks generally look at things with rose colored glasses regarding Armenians. Armenians are held in esteem as long as they keep their mouths shut and do not disturb the status quo. BTW, if Turkey was such a tolerant place there would not be som many issues with the Kurds as well.
      I will read it.

      But,

      These days are conspiracy days, we all learned not to believe to anything at the first place. Are you sure that Armstrong really surfaced Moon? Was there really a plane crashed in Pentagon? Is Pluto a planet or not?

      As the Information becomes easier to get, it becomes less reliable. Many many arguments ignoring each other and we become confused.

      But you guys seem to be sure.. How come?

      I have made my research. Is it enough? Maybe not.

      I frankly DON'T KNOW if the things happened there between

      < a government/army/groupofpeople and Armenians>
      OR
      < Turks and Armenians >

      should be called a genocide..

      I just say that this should be discussed by PROFESSIONAL HISTORIANS

      And i am ready to apologize, share any pain if a PROFESSIONAL RESULT favoring genocide is announced.

      Look, im living my own life, recently married, i look forward to enlarge my family, educate my children, give them opportunity to live, think, do freely.

      Accepting or refusing the “Genocide” doesn’t give me anything.

      I just don’t want to be disturbed.

      I dont have any pink or black glasses, i just dont have any glasses.

      There are just some people that says that i should ware:

      "im sorry my grandfather killed u all! thanx to god he wasn't successful and u still exist what can i do for u?" glasses towards Armenians

      When i see a guy hangin' around the street, no glasses, i just say hi and pass by..

      But if i see a sign on the post in front of my apartment when i wake up, and the sign says "this guy has genocided my family".. This changes my status quo yes. And i react YES. Isn't there anything more natural then that?

      Naturally, by default, I REFUSE. ‘Cos I don’t know anything about it.

      Then i start to look up some information, curious, what happened?!?!

      My neighboor says your grandfather killed mine.. I say im sorry i heard about it but there was a street fight and everybody killed everybody..

      He says NO!

      He killed my grandfather on PURPOSE. He wanted my apartment, the one you’re livin know and he wanted my family not to exist anymore..

      I don't believe it.

      And he goes every door every single night to an another neihboor and says "this family killed mine on purpose"!!!!

      I say ok but we share this apartment with your brother and he has no problems..

      We used to live in his apartment, it is our apartment!!!!

      What will u do my friend?

      What do you expect me to do?

      I just want all the grandfathers same generation, or all the historians, all the detectives of the county to research what happened and publish a resolution.

      I don't want personal advocates to try to win the case and disturb the grandsons.

      Thats all.


      And the kurds, another problem, long story.

      Only one thing though,
      have you heard about “Turgut Ozal”?
      One of the strongest politicians in Turkish History,
      Prime Minister and then President years 1980-1990.
      PURE KURDISH

      “IbrahimTatlises”?
      Most famous singer in Turkey
      TV shows etc..
      PURE KURDISH

      This country, gives anything to anyone who doesn’t want to change the status quo yes. And the status quo rules the universe.

      You like it or not.

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      • #4
        Re: Turk

        Originally posted by AVC
        I will read it.

        But,

        These days are conspiracy days, we all learned not to believe to anything at the first place. Are you sure that Armstrong really surfaced Moon? Was there really a plane crashed in Pentagon? Is Pluto a planet or not?

        As the Information becomes easier to get, it becomes less reliable. Many many arguments ignoring each other and we become confused.

        But you guys seem to be sure.. How come?

        I have made my research. Is it enough? Maybe not.

        I frankly DON'T KNOW if the things happened there between

        < a government/army/groupofpeople and Armenians>
        OR
        < Turks and Armenians >

        should be called a genocide..

        I just say that this should be discussed by PROFESSIONAL HISTORIANS

        And i am ready to apologize, share any pain if a PROFESSIONAL RESULT favoring genocide is announced.

        Look, im living my own life, recently married, i look forward to enlarge my family, educate my children, give them opportunity to live, think, do freely.

        Accepting or refusing the “Genocide” doesn’t give me anything.

        I just don’t want to be disturbed.

        I dont have any pink or black glasses, i just dont have any glasses.

        There are just some people that says that i should ware:

        "im sorry my grandfather killed u all! thanx to god he wasn't successful and u still exist what can i do for u?" glasses towards Armenians

        When i see a guy hangin' around the street, no glasses, i just say hi and pass by..

        But if i see a sign on the post in front of my apartment when i wake up, and the sign says "this guy has genocided my family".. This changes my status quo yes. And i react YES. Isn't there anything more natural then that?

        Naturally, by default, I REFUSE. ‘Cos I don’t know anything about it.

        Then i start to look up some information, curious, what happened?!?!

        My neighboor says your grandfather killed mine.. I say im sorry i heard about it but there was a street fight and everybody killed everybody..

        He says NO!

        He killed my grandfather on PURPOSE. He wanted my apartment, the one you’re livin know and he wanted my family not to exist anymore..

        I don't believe it.

        And he goes every door every single night to an another neihboor and says "this family killed mine on purpose"!!!!

        I say ok but we share this apartment with your brother and he has no problems..

        We used to live in his apartment, it is our apartment!!!!

        What will u do my friend?

        What do you expect me to do?

        I just want all the grandfathers same generation, or all the historians, all the detectives of the county to research what happened and publish a resolution.

        I don't want personal advocates to try to win the case and disturb the grandsons.

        Thats all.


        And the kurds, another problem, long story.

        Only one thing though,
        have you heard about “Turgut Ozal”?
        One of the strongest politicians in Turkish History,
        Prime Minister and then President years 1980-1990.
        PURE KURDISH

        “IbrahimTatlises”?
        Most famous singer in Turkey
        TV shows etc..
        PURE KURDISH

        This country, gives anything to anyone who doesn’t want to change the status quo yes. And the status quo rules the universe.

        You like it or not.

        Conspiracy theories? Hardly, although I must admit Turkey is ripe ground for conspiracy theories of all kinds. And yes, we are absolutely sure regarding the Genocide. Your own government has kept the issue under lock and key for decades dues to its own paranoia so it comes as no surprise why Turks know almost nothing about the Genocide or Armenians for that matter. I also doubt that if any commission of historians met and decided that it was a genocide that Turkey would recognize it. Why? Because your own PM already said so. He proposed a comission and later said that Turkey would never recognize the Genocide for any reason. That should give Armenians great confidence, right? The suggestion was merely a public relations stunt to take some pressure off of Turkey for the EU drive. There is no greater insult you can committ than to try and liquidate a nation of people and then have the gall to claim it never happened. It is a further insult to ask Armenians to sit with Turks and conduct a negotiation regarding the issue. Would you ask Wiesenthal to meet with David Irving?

        If the issue didn't matter to you, you probably would not be on an Armenian forum today; you would be casually ignoring this and going about your life. We did not ask you to come.

        Regarding the Kurdish issue, you still seem to look at that issue with rose-colored glasses because whether you like it or not, the problem is getting more acute every day.

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        • #5
          Re: Turk

          Originally posted by RSNATION
          Conspiracy theories? Hardly, although I must admit Turkey is ripe ground for conspiracy theories of all kinds. And yes, we are absolutely sure regarding the Genocide. Your own government has kept the issue under lock and key for decades dues to its own paranoia so it comes as no surprise why Turks know almost nothing about the Genocide or Armenians for that matter. I also doubt that if any commission of historians met and decided that it was a genocide that Turkey would recognize it. Why? Because your own PM already said so. He proposed a comission and later said that Turkey would never recognize the Genocide for any reason. That should give Armenians great confidence, right? The suggestion was merely a public relations stunt to take some pressure off of Turkey for the EU drive. There is no greater insult you can committ than to try and liquidate a nation of people and then have the gall to claim it never happened. It is a further insult to ask Armenians to sit with Turks and conduct a negotiation regarding the issue. Would you ask Wiesenthal to meet with David Irving?

          If the issue didn't matter to you, you probably would not be on an Armenian forum today; you would be casually ignoring this and going about your life. We did not ask you to come.

          Regarding the Kurdish issue, you still seem to look at that issue with rose-colored glasses because whether you like it or not, the problem is getting more acute every day.
          Guys, thanx for giving me the opportunity to express my words here.

          It was necessary for me to write here today 'cos even the genocide exists,
          a country, known for Liberté, voted today some funny law that puts in jail anyone who says "genocide doesnt exist".

          This kind of mega-stupid stuff disturbs me. You also have question marks about this law i hope.

          Kurdish issue is a big big one.. I never said opposite. And unfortunately for you it conflicts with your plans..

          Yes, politics are not a favored subject in my life, so i quit writing for the moment. Thanks for your understanding.

          Good luck!

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          • #6
            Re: Turk

            AVC, it is obvious you know very little about the true history behind your country's origins and even less about the history of the Armenian people. Before classifying yourself into the category of those morons that still believe the moon landing is "made up", Elvis is alive, etc, please read a bit. Just because they only taught you "geography" in school doesn't mean they told you everything in school

            This issue has loooooong been settled and there is really nothing to "debate" anymore. The only people that really don't seem to get it is the Turks so ask yourself why that might be. Is it that the entire world is against the turks or maybe, just maybe Turky has certain interests to protect by covering up the past (and trying very desperately).
            this post = teh win.

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            • #7
              Re: Turk

              I do not really understand your purpose in this visit and if I am summing up what I get from it, feel free to correct me.

              This line from all your posts strikes me as the most important one:

              "Accepting or refusing the “Genocide” doesn’t give me anything."

              The only thing that Turkish people have to gain from accepting history is a better understand of themselves so they can move forward. Turkey is no longer a great power, it may be at the cusp of moving forward but internal and external forces keep pulling it away. Part of the reason in my opinion is Turkey has failed to properly deal with its own history so it lacks an honest self-image. That is due to the constant effort to Turkify anyone under its rule.

              I do not normally discuss Genocide with Turks because I have not found any reason to discuss what is obviously historical fact. The crime committed against Armenians did not start in 1915 but that is when it was finished. So when you come here and say you have done the research but don't know if Genocide happenned you are admitting to using as your sources the offical propaganda of your gov't. To follow that up with an admission that you gain nothing simply further shows your motivation for not wanting to consider valid historical records indicating that the Armenian Genocide is a dark stain on Turkish history.

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              • #8
                Re: Turk

                Originally posted by AVC
                Guys, thanx for giving me the opportunity to express my words here.

                It was necessary for me to write here today 'cos even the genocide exists,
                a country, known for Liberté, voted today some funny law that puts in jail anyone who says "genocide doesnt exist".

                This kind of mega-stupid stuff disturbs me. You also have question marks about this law i hope.

                Kurdish issue is a big big one.. I never said opposite. And unfortunately for you it conflicts with your plans..

                Yes, politics are not a favored subject in my life, so i quit writing for the moment. Thanks for your understanding.

                Good luck!
                As they say in France, "au revoir!"

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                • #9
                  Re: Turk

                  I'm back! This forum, post, discussing stuff is fun! (im new to it)

                  Words, sentences are easy to manipulate, unless u have a strong ability to use them carefully, this one i don't have much, especially against u replyin guys who dosn't want to discuss but win!

                  I would do something i hate, but just curious what will come next, so i respond step by step:

                  Sip

                  1. The things i've said, the points i make have absolutely nothing to do with my knowledge of history. I haven't made any historical point. I made exemples of a simple person who doesn't know anything about history.

                  2. When talkin to conspiracies, i even put the Planet stuff, just to make it spicy, it was JUST SOME WARM UP, TO MAKE THIS CONVERSATION MORE FRIENDLY.

                  3. I said "I was thaught NOTHING but geography about your nation". Which points to the fact that Turkish people are not educated in any way towards Armenians. How come after these words u are able to write "Just because they only taught you "geography" in school doesn't mean they told you everything in school " Did i said/mean that? HOW?

                  4. This part of this forum proves its a debate

                  5. I'm talkin about people Turkish and Armenian people! The problems between two people.
                  Not governments.
                  "Cover-Ups" are between governments.. Don't your government has any cover-ups against any other country? Even against their own citizens? All the countries have their own interests, including sorry wrong word ESPECIALLY the ones who you guys are collaborating in your cause..

                  But CAN FRENCH OR ARMENIAN GOVERNMENT MAKE ME BELIEVE SOMETHING COVERED UP BY MY GOVERNMENT?

                  CAN FRENCH OR TURKISH GOVERNMENT MAKE U BELEIVE SOMETHING COVERED UP BY YOUR GOVERNMENT???

                  do you understand what i mean?

                  I, ME, MYSELF, AND I WANT SOME1, SOMETHING ELSE TO PROVE ME THIS GENOCIDE WAS THERE. OTHER THEN GOVERNMENTS WHO xxxx UP THE WORLD

                  Anyway i hate this, skip this part.

                  GMD

                  My points are:

                  * I don't refuse but neither accept this Genocide thing, 'cos I DON'T KNOW. I said "this doesnt change my life i dont care" to make point that I HAVE NO INTEREST ON REFUSING IT, NOR CHANGE YOUR OPINION...

                  * I think that this Genocide stuff, again in again, Western EU countries discussing it, again and again, SOME FUNNY LAWS, again and again DOES NOTHING BUT MAKE TR and ARM PEOPLE HARDER TO REUNITE.

                  * And, the MOST IMPORTANT PART
                  Why do you talk about cover ups, Turkish progress, knowing history bla bla instead of making the point

                  WHAT DO YOU WANT

                  "..an apologize, a fact to be admitted, a crime to be named" ?????

                  THEN WHAT JUST ANSWER THIS!

                  SOME LANDS BACK?

                  Kiddin' right

                  "But if u wanna change your destiny? Change it yourself!

                  You dream for someone else to breakdown a good Company, establish a new one instead, and make you the owner

                  The good company is a GOOD one, and the GUY, he says that you'll be the owner, but doesn't give a xxxx about you

                  Work hard, upgrade your league, and come to play with these guys yourself!"

                  THE REASON I'M HERE IS TO KNOW

                  WHAT DO YOU WANT?
                  FRANKLY..

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                  • #10
                    Re: Turk

                    Originally posted by AVC
                    Guys, thanx for giving me the opportunity to express my words here.

                    It was necessary for me to write here today 'cos even the genocide exists,
                    a country, known for Liberté, voted today some funny law that puts in jail anyone who says "genocide doesnt exist".

                    This kind of mega-stupid stuff disturbs me. You also have question marks about this law i hope.

                    Kurdish issue is a big big one.. I never said opposite. And unfortunately for you it conflicts with your plans..

                    Yes, politics are not a favored subject in my life, so i quit writing for the moment. Thanks for your understanding.

                    Good luck!
                    A Turk, who is from a country which forbids the admission and discussion of the Armenian Genocide, complains about France for not permitting dissent regarding the Armenian Genocide. Irony.
                    Achkerov kute.

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