Armenians & Turks & Medz Yegern

[anileve]

Re: Armenians & Turks & Medz Yegern

in this link check the posting by 'terso' he suggests there has never been such a race called Armenian.... this knowledgeable smart dude says Armenian word comes from 'ormanli' (which means like people from forest, jungle etc) and that those ormanli people were a Turkish tribe who were living in forest and one day they cut each other with axes mistakenly and were killed all.

I promised myself I wasn't going to get involved but after reading this, I couldn't help it. "Turkish tribe who were living in forest and one day they cut each other with axes mistakenly and were killed all." Mistakenly cut each other with axes and were all killed? How do you mistakenly kill an entire population? Hahaha

I think that you meant "Osmanli" tribe, not "Ormanly". The Osmanli Tribe was a Turkish tribe in western Anatolia that existed for a short period in the 14th century. Before the 1330s it was known as the Söğüt tribe and in 1383 it became the Ottoman Empire.

One of the Osmanli sayings goes: "They gave a beyship [kingship] to the Turk; and he first killed his father."

[disksoleil]

hi anileve, these are not my opinons, i just copied and pasted those, some people seriously believe those stuff, i am trying to explain them its not true.

it is so weird that some people believe such stuff, and it is stupid.

[anileve]

No prob. I am just correcting those stupid people's opinion.

[jahannam]

Originally posted by disksoleil hi anileve, these are not my opinons, i just copied and pasted those, some people seriously believe those stuff, i am trying to explain them its not true.

it is so weird that some people believe such stuff, and it is stupid.

I also didn't wanna get into this... but
disksoleil... we KNOW that "some people" a.k.a. 99% of turks deny the Genocide...
this is an Armenian forum.
I don't see why you'd be posting such nonsenses in here...
we KNOW what turks say about the Genocide...
we don't need turks like yourself going to Armenian websites to let us know about that...
the first time we asked you, you told us the reason you're here is that you wanna "learn" about Armenians... and I'm pretty sure that's why the Admin hasn't kicked you out yet...
cuz (although I disagree with this) the rules of this website forbid any non armenians to be here...
so stick to your principles... will you?

[disksoleil]

Hi jahannam

The point up there was not how Turks deny, or it was not to test whether you have studied your lessons about what Turks do in their life or how they think. The exact point was "what they DO NOT KNOW" and that, "IF YOU LET PEOPLE KNOW SOMETHING, THEY WONT DENY IT". Maybe they're too lazy to go and find out by themselves, so i thought there should be another way of teaching them... I thought you guys wanted genocide to be recognized. Maybe i was wrong after all huh?
The aim of this thread had nothing so AGAINST you nor the Armenian Forum i guess. Plain discussion. For your information.

But thank you ALOT for reminding me of my principles, without you im lost.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by jahannam I also didn't wanna get into this... but
disksoleil... we KNOW that "some people" a.k.a. 99% of turks deny the Genocide...
this is an Armenian forum.
I don't see why you'd be posting such nonsenses in here...
we KNOW what turks say about the Genocide...
we don't need turks like yourself going to Armenian websites to let us know about that...
the first time we asked you, you told us the reason you're here is that you wanna "learn" about Armenians... and I'm pretty sure that's why the Admin hasn't kicked you out yet...
cuz (although I disagree with this) the rules of this website forbid any non armenians to be here...
so stick to your principles... will you?

I don't agree with the rules of the website.

If it is meant to provide Armenian unity, and those that want to interact with us should be welcome, not shunned off.

[jahannam]

Originally posted by disksoleil

The point up there was not how Turks deny, or it was not to test whether you have studied your lessons about what Turks do in their life or how they think. The exact point was "what they DO NOT KNOW" and that, "IF YOU LET PEOPLE KNOW SOMETHING, THEY WONT DENY IT". Maybe they're too lazy to go and find out by themselves, so i thought there should be another way of teaching them... I thought you guys wanted genocide to be recognized. Maybe i was wrong after all huh?

ahhh... poor turks... they DON'T KNOW...
ahh I feel so bad... I'm gonna cry....

hmmmm let's see...
how do you explain the fact that EVERY April 24th some Turkish Children's Organization (supported by the Government) invites kids from ALL OVER Europe for an annual children's festival... and they dance and party and laugh, while, on that same EXACT day us Armenians have demonstrations commemorating our grandparents and asking for Justice in practically EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY in this world!
that's just a coincidence huh... hmmm what a coincidence... I can't believe I hadn't thought about that!
I haven't even STARTED talking about how many Turkish consulates have been assasinated all over the world for that same cause...
(yeah I know you're gonna give me that "Armenians are terrorists" crap... don't care)
I guess you don't know about that either.....huh?
hmmm we should kill some more then... so that your people WAKE UP!
bottomline...
you guys KNOW..
don't give me that "lazy" innocent wanna be crap..
there MIGHT be some illiterate civilians who don't know...
but your government knows well...very...
there's a reason why Miramax tried to keep the movie "Ararat" and many other publications/films/artwork AS underground AS possible...
and the fact that you yourself are DENYING the fact that they KNOW makes you a liar...

[disksoleil]

That celebration you are talking about is on 23rd of April, it symbolises something else important for us also... well it doesnt have anything to do with Armenians. Simply a day for children, whats wrong with it?

[disksoleil]

By the way i know about that 'assasinated consulates'. I also heard that some of those diplomats' kids were also murdered. Justice for you. Took revenge? That is not the way. But you dont care isn't it?

[jahannam]

revenge?
no dear...
first of all ... nothing can balance the loss of 1.5 million souls.
second of all... we've made it clear enough (I guess not clear enough for YOU, since you think we kill people for revenge*rolling eyes*) that the purpose of those assasinations was to tell the world our story... to uncover the truth by making the Turkish Government ADMIT that a Genocide happened...
unfortunately, in this kind of a world, you can't get governments to pay attention to what you're up to, unless you take extreme measures (i.e. assasinate diplomats)...