Great Program About Orhan Pamuk and Armenian Genocide

[phantom]

I watched it
same orhan same pamuk, arrogrant, and nobody did spoke until him bla bla
I dont understand why the producers focued the program on 2 clowns pamu and kreincsiz, studpid kerincsiz. The procuders of the program are just plain ignorants
saying every city has an autor, and Pamuk is the author of Istanbul. While Ahmet Hamdi Tanpinar's books exist Pamuk can not be athor of any city in Turkey .
I would prefer to watch or listen the Bolso hye dede instead of those clowns, he is jsut one of our own dedes while he had words of wisdom.
Armenians are and were part of our society, I noticed how they would raise their hands while praying like us, I dont think other christians especially in west would do the same. Anyways I would prefer to listen that 90 year old dede, instead of pamuk and kerincsiz, I dont and cant think such Armenians outside of our culture and history, thats why I always say ordinary Armenian of 915 is also our ancestors culturally.

Well the programmers focused on them two, because the program was about Keriz trying to censor and punish Pamuk for supposedly insulting the Turkish nation. That was the topic of the program. I'm surprised that they even spent some significant time talking about the Genocide.

Ok, so you don't like Pamuk. I guess you can't like everyone. But this post isn't just about Pamuk. It's about the program. How many programs are there on this topic? Very few. So when a program is made that investigates it, I think you should watch it before blindly lashing out at Pamuk. Your first post makes it seem like you are a typical nationalist who is lashing out at anyone who says anything about the Genocide. In fact, the first thing you did was attack Pamuk rather than attacking Keriz. Think about it, even if you are 100% right about Pamuk's intentions, who's worse, Pamuk, who according to you is a media-xxxxx, or Keriz, who is a nationalist arsehole who would put anyone in jail for speaking their opinion? Pamuk isn't hurting anyone with his words, but Keriz and his ilk are setting Turkey back 30 years with one fell swoop.

Now moving on to the dede. You say you that the dede had words of wisdom. In your opinion, what were his words of wisdom? Did you take note of the story he told about his father, mother and older brother who died as an infant during the Genocide? What shall we Armenians do when the country is run by men like Keriz who will put you in jail if you talk about that dede's history? How do you expect us to respond to men like Keriz with patience and understanding? Would you feel comfortable if all of the dedes who are still alive were videotaped and their stories televised in Turkey? Will that make the Turkish public believe?

[imported_RUDO]

Relax

O adami oldumm olsai sevmiyorum kardesim ve bunun Ermeniler ile alakali yeni kesfederek soyledigi o sozler ilede alakasi yok

Tamam,TurQ.Orhan Pamuk'u sevmek zorunda değilsin.Sakinleş!!!
Ok,TurQ.You don't have to like him.Calm down!!!

[TurQ]

Thats your opinion 1.5times narsist friend

Phantom - I am not at all surprised - this has been his gig all along here - appear reasonable and sympathetic - but not give an inch. He is really no different then any other hyper-nationalist genocide denying Turk who discounts all eyewitnesses to the Genocide as being deliberate liars who were out to defame Turkey/Turks - and he feels that Pamuk and Ackam are only saying these truths because of desire for personal glory. We can see - any critic of Turkey, anyone who steps out of line, any who affirms the truth of the Genocide - well it is their deficiency or agenda...and the way to combat it - as the truth of what they say cannot be countered - is another ad-hominim attack. TurQ is worse then the average brainless foaming at the mouth denier - as he should know better. They are just brainless and ignorant - He I would classify just as being cruel and evil.

[TurQ]

Phantom
dont have much time. It is obvious what my taste is about for Keriz and Pamuk/Yamuk, first I didnt know kerincsiz was in the program, the name of the topic was program about Orhan Pamuk so I commented on him. I can express my dislike my hatred towward such insincere false heros or clowns like Kerincsiz anytime anywhere. I have problem with false heros(some of them are in this forum as well)

Some points: Turkey is not run by Kerincsiz or his sort, he is trying to save a career by being such a clown. He was not known a year ago now he enjyus popularity. He is an Ulusalci not a nationalist. An opportunist trying to gain from Turkish-Armenian tension/conflict

Dede expressed his opinion clearly and his sincerety is much more louder than from either Pamuk or Kerincsiz. He said "if you put a convicted to trial the convicted wouldt accept the guilt".

The best is to ignore clowns like Keriz, he is asking for attention and popularity so dont give it. What he does is sueing Orhan Pamuk and other popular figures that makes himself popular. He is a simple opportunist why should we help him to gain popularity?

I knew Pamuk for around 13 years now, Armenain thing and [political stance came up few years back and my feelings about him is same for the last 13 years.

Well the programmers focused on them two, because the program was about Keriz trying to censor and punish Pamuk for supposedly insulting the Turkish nation. That was the topic of the program. I'm surprised that they even spent some significant time talking about the Genocide.

Ok, so you don't like Pamuk. I guess you can't like everyone. But this post isn't just about Pamuk. It's about the program. How many programs are there on this topic? Very few. So when a program is made that investigates it, I think you should watch it before blindly lashing out at Pamuk. Your first post makes it seem like you are a typical nationalist who is lashing out at anyone who says anything about the Genocide. In fact, the first thing you did was attack Pamuk rather than attacking Keriz. Think about it, even if you are 100% right about Pamuk's intentions, who's worse, Pamuk, who according to you is a media-xxxxx, or Keriz, who is a nationalist arsehole who would put anyone in jail for speaking their opinion? Pamuk isn't hurting anyone with his words, but Keriz and his ilk are setting Turkey back 30 years with one fell swoop.

Now moving on to the dede. You say you that the dede had words of wisdom. In your opinion, what were his words of wisdom? Did you take note of the story he told about his father, mother and older brother who died as an infant during the Genocide? What shall we Armenians do when the country is run by men like Keriz who will put you in jail if you talk about that dede's history? How do you expect us to respond to men like Keriz with patience and understanding? Would you feel comfortable if all of the dedes who are still alive were videotaped and their stories televised in Turkey? Will that make the Turkish public believe?

[bell-the-cat]

Phantom
You're labelling of all Turks of being either Pamuk or Kerincsiz is something unlogical(you are either with us or with the others approach).
I have never liked him, and he was not saying this kind of things before, that was my feeling it still is the same. Armenian thing just came up to him, an intellectual should always say what he believes. He wouldnt say such things 10 years ago why? Because he was mostly popular in TUrkey, now he is in the global market, he is playing the honest brave intellectual role. Where was he before? What was his thoughts on Armenian problem in 96? He lives in KArakoy/Cihangir, where minorities live, he's much more knowledgeabl than me, so where was he? He was a journalist.

Yes he is out for nobel prize, like Naipur.

All that may be true. And he does come across as being rather full of himself, with his "and only I dare talk about it" type comments.

But all that is immaterial to the actual issue, which is that in Turkey people can, on the whim of prosecutors and state officials, be imprisoned for words they say in public anywhere in the World - and that a large percentage of Turks like it to be that way.

[phantom]

All that may be true. And he does come across as being rather full of himself, with his "and only I dare talk about it" type comments.

But all that is immaterial to the actual issue, which is that in Turkey people can, on the whim of prosecutors and state officials, be imprisoned for words they say in public anywhere in the World - and that a large percentage of Turks like it to be that way.

Well put Bell.

[ScythianVizier]

I read some of his books, and I liked them. He is a talented person and I have no hard feelings about him as whether he promotes the recognition of Armenian Genocide or not.

[TurQ]

I think majority of Turks dont want freedom of expression be restricted.
Problem is we have lots of unnecessary agendas in our daily lifes in Turkey, and people can easily be manupulated by news, and they dont know what to believe or whats right or wrong after some time.

Orhan Pamuk knows very well about the problems pertaining to judicial system. He just abuses this for himself, he is trying to make a hero out of himself(and say only himself dares to speak out) by using those certain "key words", he knows very well that those guys in power wouldnt harm him, and those prosecutions very well make a good advertisement of him.

For me an intellectual should try to solve a problem, dont use use it as a leverage to boost his popularity. Thats what I find wrong.

All that may be true. And he does come across as being rather full of himself, with his "and only I dare talk about it" type comments.

But all that is immaterial to the actual issue, which is that in Turkey people can, on the whim of prosecutors and state officials, be imprisoned for words they say in public anywhere in the World - and that a large percentage of Turks like it to be that way.