Brenda Schaffer Throws Every Possible Garbage at Armenians

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Hypocrite!

Ironically Iran and Turkey had very stable relations and most of the times good neighbours(Not great but so so) since Kasr-i Shirin Treaty 1639, so I dont think any Turkish government or Turkish state would ever want to destroy Iran.
In general Turkey seeks for a stable strong region in her periphery, thats why Turkey supports territorial integrity of her neighbours, Iraw (you mean Iran of course. H.) and Syria is one example, Armenians cant understand this in general but yes this is also true for Armenia.

So why, hypocrite, did you create "Azerbaijan"?
If you wanted to create a Turkish state in the Caucasus (on Armenian territory) for your pan-turkist purposes: to destroy Armenia, why didn't you call it something else?
So stop all the crap about "South-Azerbaijan" and "North-Azerbaijan" if you really care for the integrity of Iran's borders.

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What I meant was different,

Hellektor/Selektor tries to badmouth Turks and Azeris anytime, and any chance he finds(or he thinks he finds), He denies Azeri Culture and Azeri nation's existence or right to exist, and similiarly he bad mouths to Turkish culture, for stupid reasons he sites.
That's what I meant by him being lonely looney.

It is not the Brenda shaffer or any other reason, his problem is with us, the Turkish nation.

His intention is not the eat the grapes but to beat the gardener.

I don't believe you. You thought that you would get support by people screaming Nazi Nazi because he called her a jew xxxxx and with that, you were hoping the real issue would be overlooked and forgotten.

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Brenda's Shaffer's views generally have nothing to do with Turkey or Armenia per se. She's cares about neither. If all of you read her background you'll see she is from Israel and served in the Israeli military and her sole focus, as stated earlier in the thread quite correctly, is that Iran should be neutralized. This is her aim and focus and that is why Azerbaijan is so important for her. If the Azeris give in to US and Israeli pressure and allow US bases and act as a birdgehead for a possible US invasion of Iran, she will jump for joy. It should also be noted that the department she is in charge of at Harvard was liqudated a few years ago but then privately funded by an oil company.

This isn't something new that has only just started because of Iran. We all know that jews and israel have been supporting the azeris long before any thought of US invasion of Iran. They would support the azeris against Armenians even if Iran didn't exist and we all know why.

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The Turkish-Israeli Alliance and Genocide Denial

By David B. Boyajian

It is a sad and painful truth that, as a consequence of the expanding alliance between Turkey and Israel, the Jewish American lobby is now also a Turkish lobby, and has declared war on Armenians.

The story begins in 1949. Turkey became the first Muslim state to recognize Israel, though relations in the years following were not always warm. The two states established full diplomatic relations in 1991, however, and by 1996 were in open embrace after signing a Military and Training Cooperation Agreement and a Free Trade Agreement. Actually, the romance had budded even a bit earlier, but behind closed doors.

For example, after a stint at the Pentagon under President Ronald Reagan, prominent Jewish American Richard Perle became a paid ($231,000) lobbyist for Turkey and, working alongside Israel, reportedly quashed a Senate resolution in 1989 on the Armenian Genocide. Perle now chairs the Pentagon's influential Defense Policy Board.

Just last year, the director of the American Jewish Committee, Barry Jacobs, bragged, "We will champion to the best of our ability Turkish interests in the US Congress."

But why would Turkey and Israel, a nation hated by many Muslims, including Turks, become allies?

Common Enemies

What Turkey and Israel (along with the US) have most in common is a trio of enemies: Syria, Iraq, and Iran.

Though they share the Muslim faith, Turks look down upon Arabs and still resent their revolt against the Turkish Empire in World War I. In turn, Syria and Iraq, like most Arab countries, detest Turkey's superiority complex and its partnerships, such as NATO, with the generally pro-Israeli West.

Turkey has angered Syria and Iraq by limiting the flow of water from the Euphrates and Tigris rivers. Likewise, Syria had infuriated Turkey by hosting the anti-Turkish fighters of the Kurdish PKK until 1998. Additionally, Syrians have long regarded Turkey's Hatay province (Alexandretta) as being rightfully theirs, while Turks have never fully relinquished claims on the oil-rich Mosul region of northern Iraq.

Iran (Persia) has clashed with Turks for nearly a thousand years, and the two compete for influence among Muslims in the ex-Soviet states of Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan. Tehran and Ankara also suspect the other is encouraging separatist movements: Azeris in Iran, and Kurds in Turkey.

But the reasons for the alliance don't stop there.

Israel earns billions when it upgrades Turkish weapons, such as F-4 jets, and when Turkey purchases Israeli weapons, such as Popeye air-to- surface missiles and, possibly, the partly American-funded Homa/Arrow anti-ballistic missile system. Whereas Western countries sometimes hesitate to sell Turkey weapons due to human rights concerns, Israeli analyst Efrain Inbar says his country "is not as scrupulous as most nations in the world in this area [selling weapons]."

The two countries trade intelligence data on common adversaries and, almost certainly, on Cyprus, Greece, and even Armenians. Israel reportedly flies spy planes and has electronic listening posts along Turkey's southern border.

Israeli Air Force pilots drill Turkish counterparts in combat techniques, and, in return, get to hone their own skills in Turkey's expansive airspace. Together with the US, Turkey and Israel conduct naval maneuvers each January dubbed "Reliant Mermaid." Some experts even speculate that Israel could provide Turkey with a "nuclear umbrella" [www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/maxwell/mp22.pdf].

Water-poor Israel has also been negotiating with water-rich Turkey to have that vital commodity shipped to Israel by tankers.

Periphery Strategy

The present strategy of Ankara (and the US State Department) to penetrate the Muslim/Turkic nations of the former Soviet Union such as Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Turkmenistan--all of which are sitting on oil and gas reserves--fits Tel Aviv's own ambitions.

As part of its long-standing "periphery" strategy, Israel seeks friends among distant non-Arab Muslim nations in order to counter nearby Arab Muslim hostility. In the last decade, Israel has established relationships, especially in the field of agriculture, with all six former Soviet Muslim countries.

Israel also hopes to see oil and gas exported from the Caspian Basin, not just for itself but also to lessen the West's dependence on Arab oil and thus reduce Arab leverage against the West. Hence, Israel supports the proposed oil pipeline from Azerbaijan to Turkey.

Jewish Lobby

The Turkish-Israeli deal included an extra provision: the powerful Jewish American lobby--the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the American Jewish Committee, and several other organizations--would toil on Turkey's behalf, particularly in countering the Armenian and Greek lobbies.

Though the average American--Jewish or otherwise--is unaware of that provision, experts openly acknowledge it. Even five years ago, for instance, Joseph Leitmann-Santa Cruz and Cagri Erdem--respectively Jewish and Turkish analysts--were trumpeting that "the influential Jewish lobby" could help Ankara "improve its image, diminish the accusations of Armenian and Greek lobbying groups, and improve its economic and defense cooperation with the US."

Indeed, in October 2000, Jewish organizations and former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres helped the State Department kill an Armenian Genocide resolution in the House of Representatives. "The Jewish lobby," reported Turkey's Sabah newspaper, "threw all its weight into the job.and very openly."

In 2001, a major Jewish organization in Maryland tried to stop the state from passing an Armenian Genocide resolution. Legislator Cheryl Kagan, who also happens to sit on the board of the American Jewish Committee, termed the Genocide "an alleged massacre" and compared the bill to one designating "the official state cat." Fortunately, the resolution passed anyway.

Partly as an outgrowth of the Israel-Turkey relationship, the Jewish lobby labored for years against Armenian-Americans to repeal Congressional sanctions, Section 907 of the Freedom Support Act, on Azerbaijan. Finally, in the wake of September 11, 2001, the Bush administration, helped along by the Jewish lobby, succeeded in repealing the sanctions.

Around that same time, nine leading Jewish American organizations formally asked President Bush to provide Turkey "debt forgiveness, trade concessions, and/or further [loan] relief."

In Los Angeles, the taxpayer-funded Jewish "Museum of Tolerance," apparently bowing to Turkish and Israeli desires, has broken its pledge to include an Armenian Genocide exhibit.

Meanwhile, Tel Aviv, like Washington, keeps Turkey happy by employing euphemisms such as Armenian "tragedy" rather than "genocide."

Though it is hypocritical of Jewish leaders to conspire with Turkey in covering up the Genocide, it cannot be said that Israel or Jews are somehow uniquely pro-Turkish. After all, the governments and power structures of the "Christian" West and elsewhere have long supported Turkey and been largely indifferent to Armenian interests. Nevertheless, American Jewish clout in government, media, academia, and commerce provides Turkey with new and powerful allies.

For example, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, President Bush's chief foreign policy strategist, is fervently pro-Turkish. Noted Jewish political analyst Dr. Daniel Pipes acknowledges that "to make its case," Turkey "counts on American Jews such as" Defense Undersecretary Douglas Feith, Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle, and Prof. Bernard Lewis (a Genocide denier and Bush advisor), as well as on Jewish "institutions."

In an intriguing press release issued in January, Rep. Frank Pallone (D-NJ), co-chair of the Congressional Armenian Caucus and a good friend of Armenians, stated that improved "Armenian-Israeli relations" are important to the Bush administration. He suggested that Armenia follow Turkey's example of establishing close links to Israel. That far-away Tel Aviv plays a central role in Washington's policy toward Armenia speaks volumes.

Jewish Friends

It would be wrong and counterproductive, however, to blame Jews for the misguided actions of some of their leaders. The average Jewish American is unaware of the extent of the lobby's Genocide denial. Moreover, Jewish leaders have been intentionally brainwashing their rank-and-file into believing that Turks have historically adored Jews. An honest Jewish American scholar, Jonathan Eric Lewis has eloquently punctured that myth [see https://www.hairenik.com/armenianwee...story003.html].

In Israel, historians Israel Charny and Yair Auron, as well as former Cabinet ministers Yossi Beilin and Yossi Sarid, have bravely confronted Israel's Genocide denial.

In the US, scores of Jewish academicians have supported Armenian Genocide studies (eg. Dr. Deborah Dwork of Clark University) and written about and signed petitions (eg. Dr. Robert Melson of Purdue) on the subject.

Many Jewish members of Congress--Adam Schiff, Steven Rothman, and Barney Frank, to name just a few--have strongly supported Armenian- American issues.

Next Steps

Armenia has no diplomatic relations with Israel and hesitates to criticize that nation, perhaps out of concern that Israel and the US will retaliate. That leaves the matter to Armenian-Americans. Though meetings with Jewish lobbying groups have proven unproductive, Armenians rightfully continue to work with other, fair-minded Jewish Americans. Can we do more?

Jewish claims to sympathetic treatment from Christians are based largely on the Holocaust and the consequent need for a secure homeland. When the Jewish lobby is caught covering up a Christian Genocide, however, Americans may conclude that the emphasis on the Holocaust has been no more than a political ploy.

Our only recourse now, sadly, is to ensure that all Americans learn about the Jewish lobby's dazzling hypocrisy on genocide and unprincipled collusion with Turkey. With Americans already raising questions about Israel's interests in a US invasion of Iraq, the time is right for Armenians to make their case, even if that means using full-page media ads.

Additionally, it is imperative that Armenian-Americans and their churches begin serious discussions with American Christian groups, particularly those "fundamentalist" organizations that provide massive support to Israel supposedly based on Biblical verse.

It is incomprehensible that American Christians provide vastly more political support for Israel and the Holocaust than for the first Christian nation on earth and its Genocide. Armenian Apostolics, Catholics, and most importantly, Evangelicals/Protestants, as well as our cultural and political organizations, must act quickly before events in the world overtake us.

Finally, as we Armenian-Americans explain our views, let us be as charitable and honorable to others as we hope they would be towards us. Let us also understand the concerns of all people who look back with fondness to the land of their forebears.

http://www.hairenik.com/armenianweekly/april_2003/politics001.html

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Ingratitude

This isn't something new that has only just started because of Iran. We all know that jews and israel have been supporting the azeris long before any thought of US invasion of Iran. They would support the azeris against Armenians even if Iran didn't exist and we all know why.

The treacherous deal between the Jew-Tatar Kemal and Jew-Tatar Lenin in 1921 (Kars/Moscow), which cut off an area as large as present day Armenia and gave it to the two (one and the same) Turkish states, is a blatant proof of Jewish anti-Armenian intentions.

This treachery is as grave, in my eyes, as the Armenian Genocide.
It took from us our beautiful Ani, our most sacred symbol mount Ararat (Surmalu), which had NEVER been under Ottoman Tyranny, Kars, Ardahan, Ardvin, Artsakh and Nakhijevan.

Just think of the cultural genocide in all these areas, all part of Eastern Armenia, and you'll see the degree of damage these bastards caused our nation.

It should be noted that the map was already drawn by the Jews Lenin and Trotsky and it did not come out of nowhere or as a reaction to the Armenian uprising of February 18.


Leaders of the Bolshevik "Revolution":
Assumed Name Real Name Nationality
Lenin Oulianow Russian Jewish
Trotsky (Trotzky) Bronstein Jewish
Steckloff Nakhames Jewish
Martoff Zederbaum Jewish
Zinovieff Apfelbaum Jewish
Kameneff Rosenfeld Jewish
Dan Gourevitch (Yurewitsch) Jewish
Ganetzky Fuerstenberg Jewish
Parvus Helpfand Jewish
Uritzky Padomilsky Jewish
Larin Lurge Jewish
Bohrin Nathanson Jewish
Martinoff Zibar Jewish
Bogdanoff Zilberstein Jewish
Garin Garfeld Jewish
Suchanoff Gimel Jewish
Kamnelff Goldmann Jewish
Sagersky Krochmann Jewish
Riazanoff Goldenbach Jewish
Solutzeff Bleichmann Jewish
Piatnitzky Ziwin Jewish
Axelrod (Orthodox) Jewish
Glasunoff Schultze Jewish
Zuriesain Weinstein Jewish
Lapinski Loewensohn Jewish

Just imagine how they screwed us over for 70 years and Armenia, like a loyal dog, served them with all their hearts.
They shat in our spelling and deliberately brought about a chasm between Armenians of Diaspora and Armenia.

Facts:
Armenians constituted ONE% of the total population of Union of Soviet Sionist Republics but was "generously" offered 0.1% of the total of the USSR area. Zero point one percent, give and take. Talk about thrift!

Armenia gave TEN% of all of USSR's sceintists.
Armenians designed Migs, rockets, etc. for the USSR.
Armenians gave figures like Artem Mikoian, Aram Khachaturian, Victor Hambartsoumian, General Baghramian, Admiral Isakov, Arno Babajanian and countless other great artists, heroes and politicians.

Armenians fought with bravery in WWII and gave 103 Soviet Heroes, 23 were knighted with the award of Glory, 70,000 received awards and medals.
There were about 60 Armenian generals in the ranks of the Soviet army such as the aforementioned General Baghramian (later became Soviet Marshal, repeatedly Soviet Hero and army commander), Admiral Isakov (Khanferiants), Gen. Babajanian (later field marshal of armored division), Gen. Barseghov, Gen. Galajev, Gen. Martirossian, Gen. Karapetian, Gen. Toumanian and others.

Just think about the fact that while the Armenians were fighting in all fronts to flush Hitler down the drain of history (they even reached Berlin and danced the Kochari in front of the Reichstag), the wise "Azeris" followed their pan-turkist agenda and invaded Iran and annexed real Azarbaijan to their bogus state.

But do they care?

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

AMERICAN JEWISH COMMITTEE VOWS TO CONTINUE ITS EFFORTS
TO END U.S. SANCTIONS ON AZERBAIJAN

Washington, DC, December 1, 1998….Ambassador (Ret.) Peter Rosenblatt of the American Jewish Committee has stated that the AJC hopes for success next year in lifting the "discriminatory U.S. legislation against Azerbaijan". Amb. Rosenblatt made his remarks recently at a welcoming dinner for Azerbaijan Jewish leaders.
Amb. Rosenblatt recognized the "remarkably close friendship Azerbaijan has already established with Israel" and expressed the hope that, in the future, bonds will be strengthened among American Jews, the country of Azerbaijan and the Azeri Jewish community.

Amb. Rosenblatt expressed pleasure that "Azeri Jews, for so long isolated, are finally able to reestablish contact with their brethren abroad." He said that it was unfortunate that "the birth of Azerbaijan, like that of so many other modern nations, has been accomplished in the midst of a bloodbath".

Amb. Rosenblatt remarked that the American Jewish community takes great interest in efforts to bring peace to Azerbaijan and Armenia, "neighbors whose security and prosperity are, and will always be, linked by geography and history." The dinner was hosted by the America Azerbaijan Partnership Foundation in honor of Mr. Ilham Aliyev, First Vice President of the Azerbaijan state oil company, SOCAR. It took place in the State Room of Washington's Renaissance Mayflower Hotel. Attending were Aliyev and several leaders of Azerbaijani Jewish organizations, including the chairmen of the Council of Religious Communities of Mountain Jews of Baku, the Community of Ashkenazi Jews, the Community of Georgian Jews, the Krasnaya Sloboda Jewish Community, and the president of the Jewish Association of Azerbaijan.

98-960-118
AJRZ, FD, FP, ETH, DCPR

<http://www.ajc.org/press/october.htm>

Like I said earlier. The jewish support for azerbaboonistan is not something new and has nothing to do with Iran or the US contemplating the invasion of Iran. It has everything to do with Iran always having been percieved as the enemy by jews and israel who would like to see it destroyed like everything else. Armenia also fits in that category along with Iran.

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Israeli-Turkish Relationship

Chomsky noted that 12 percent of the Israeli air and tank force are now in eastern Turkey, and that they are probably operating in northern Iraq and moving toward the Iranian border. He cited this as being part of the growing conflict with the “axis of evil,” and against the local alliance of Iran and Armenia. He explained that Turkey relies heavily on the domestic Israeli lobby in Washington for its support. Chomsky said Turkey has received $30 billion from the World Bank and the IMF in the last year alone, and that this aid depends on the pressure of the US government and the Jewish lobby in favor of Turkey. He also added that this alliance is being extended to include Azerbaijan because of the 30 million Azeris living in northern Iran, which the US would likely want dismembered as a state. Chomsky also discussed the conflicts taking place over the control of Caspian energy resources, with Turkish, Israeli, and US forces backing Azerbaijan. “Small Armenia is caught up in the middle of all of this,” he noted. Chomsky noted that Russia was certainly able to assess the balance of forces in the region and so is behaving accordingly, at least for the moment. He described that balance as being Iran and Armenia on one side, and the US, Israel, Turkey, and Azerbaijan on the other side. He also explained that most of the conflict concerns pipeline routes from the Caspian avoiding Iran — a route that the energy companies prefer because it is more economical — and without Russia having any control, meaning that they would go through Georgia...

http://www.armenianreporteronline.com/old/29062002/ne-evil.htm

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Israeli-Turkish Relationship

Chomsky noted that 12 percent of the Israeli air and tank force are now in eastern Turkey, and that they are probably operating in northern Iraq and moving toward the Iranian border
...Chomsky also discussed the conflicts taking place over the control of Caspian energy resources, with Turkish, Israeli, and US forces backing Azerbaijan. “Small Armenia is caught up in the middle of all of this,” he noted.
http://www.armenianreporteronline.co...02/ne-evil.htm

They can easily leave the small Armenia in peace.
"Azeris" don't let Artsakh go because it weakens pan-turkism.

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I read somewhere in this forum that Ahmadinejad is a Nazi and Armenia should wage war on Iran because he insulted the jews. If it wasn't in those exact words, it was something very close to that in effect.

Armenia should wage war on Iran
You're not kidding, are you?
I haven't seen that, but whoever said that must have their brain in their ass.

P.S. What did they give us for sacrificing 300,000, reaching Berlin and giving all those generals and heroes in WWII?

They don't even recognize our genocide.

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Israeli Ambassador Arthur Lenk: "Israel recognizes Azerbaijan's territorial integrity"

08 April 2006 [11:31] - Today.Az

Israeli Ambassador to Azerbaijan Arthur Lenk met with the students of Azerbaijani Nakhchivan State University (NSU) during his visit to Nakhchivan.

The University press service informs that after having familiarized with the University, the Israeli Ambassador delivered a report "Israel's policy of peace".

As APA reports, Mr.Lenk touched on Israel's struggle against the international terrorism, its peaceful policy and international strategy.

The ambassador stressed the importance of Azerbaijan establishing its diplomatic mission in Israel. He also underlined the importance of peaceful solution of the Armenia- Azerbaijan conflict and added that Israel recognizes the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.

Responding to the questions of the students, the diplomat touched on strategic partnership, dialogue among civilizations as an expression of friendly relations between Israel and Azerbaijan.

The Israeli Ambassador also said he attaches importance on mutual cooperation in economy, telecommunication, and environment protection and in educational sphere as well. In the end, Mr.Lenk donated books titled "Facts about Israel" and "Israel on the horizon" to the University library.

URL: http://www.today.az/news/politics/24923.html