Istanbul to welcome head of Armenian church

[Joseph]

you armenian ?f you become you don't used to do us the rebell?on you don't used to come to game genoc?de you don't used to take off an ?mmature one concept but we you any more human be?ng see you at f?rst open belly sat?sfy push fellow

I'll try to answer you in the same language:

you turk if you become literate nobody make fun of you learn Ataturk Sun Theory do not substitute soap with bastirma that is immature human being allah be praised

[Joseph]

No Term Genocide in Islam, Erdogan Says
29.06.2006 17:49 GMT+04:00
/PanARMENIAN.Net/ The matter of respect of religious confession and freedom of expression was discussed at the PACE summer session on June 28. According to the report of PACE Committee on Education, Science and Culture, Finnish MP Snikki Hurskae's report was heard. Following him Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan spoke about religious record, tolerance and freedom of expression in Turkey. Then he answered questions of the MPs. Danish MP Rune Lund accused Turkey in committing the Armenian Genocide, occupying Cyprus and violating rights of Kurds. In response the Turkish PM called him «helpless man, who cannot speak basing himself on historical facts.»

Erdogan noted that he supports research of the Genocide by historians and underscored Armenian historians are invited to take part. When asked by a deputy, «why Allah admitted commitment of the genocide, Erdogan noted there is no concept of genocide in Islam and added Allah likes all people created like he does himself.»




genocide
1. k?r?m, katliam.
http://xyzhomepage.com/fd-eng-tur/4/f/genocide.htm

Yeah, Muslims would never slaughter anybody, right? I'm sure the Europeans had a good laugh over that one.

[Gavur]

sen hangi soykırımdan bahsediyorsun kardeşim sizin bizlere yaptığınız soykırımdır 1. cihan harbinde doğuda erkekler yok kadın çocuk ve yaşlılara sizin şerefsiz atalarınız gelip kadınlarımıza tecavüz ettiler hamile kadınları öldürdüler bide yetmemiş gibi doğmamış bebeği ağaca asmışsınız sen daha nelerden bahsediyorsun buyrun devletiniz gelsin o zaman baksınlar defterlere biz açtık soykırm dene bir şey yok sadece sizin bize etmiş olduğunuz soykırım var

1918 den sonra dediklerin kisimli dogru olabilir fakat bu kirim degildir cunku hukumet biz degildik Ermeni haramileri tarafindan yapilmis olabilir,
Herhalde onlarin elide elma armut toplamiyordiya.

Fakat milletini gulunc duruma sokuyorsun eger Ermanilerin 1915 de hukumet tarafindan plan ve tatbik ettigi soykirimi bu sekil temelsiz ithamlarla bu sucun hafifliyecegini zannediyorsan.



after 1918 what you claim might be partiall true but this would not constitute Genocide since we were not the state.Its possible some Armenian bandits decided to strik back and massacred some but after 1915 I dont think Armenians were in a mood for picking apples and pears.

But if you think these might reduce states crime of Genocide in 1915 you are putting your race in a laughfable position

[Joseph]

1918 den sonra dediklerin kisimli dogru olabilir fakat bu kirim degildir cunku hukumet biz degildik Ermeni haramileri tarafindan yapilmis olabilir,
Herhalde onlarin elide elma armut toplamiyordiya.

Fakat milletini gulunc duruma sokuyorsun eger Ermanilerin 1915 de hukumet tarafindan plan ve tatbik ettigi soykirimi bu sekil temelsiz ithamlarla bu sucun hafifliyecegini zannediyorsan.



after 1918 what you claim might be partiall true but this would not constitute Genocide since we were not the state.Its possible some Armenian bandits decided to strik back and massacred some but after 1915 I dont think Armenians were in a mood for picking apples and pears.

But if you think these might reduce states crime of Genocide in 1915 you are putting your race in a laughfable position

Gavur, you're wasting you time with this guy. You saw his cute little MHP symbol. He has his mind made up regarding the issue. He's one of the ulusaci mob, (the great unwashed).

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[Gavur]

I'm trying to give him what he doesnt expect
nor find.... the Truth!
Of course I cannot in 2 minutes unwash 111 years of brainwashing starting with the red sultan,but in Turkey there are people listening and there are people waiting for the Truth!

[Joseph]

I'm trying to give him what he doesnt expect
nor find.... the Truth!
Of course I cannot in 2 minutes unwash 111 years of brainwashing starting with the red sultan,but in Turkey there are people listening and there are people waiting for the Truth!

That is true and it is starting to change, albeit slowly. Maybe his kind will be a dying breed.

[Joseph]

O! Turkish Youth!

Your primary duty is ever to preserve and defend the Turkish national independence and the Turkish Republic.

That is the only basis of your existence and of your future. This basis contains your most precious treasure. In the future, too, there will be ill will against you, both in the country itself and abroad, which will try to deprive you of this treasure.

If one day you are compelled to defend your independence and your Republic, then, in order to fulfil your duty, you shall not think of the possibilities and conditions in which you might find yourself. These conditions and possibilities may be altogether unfavourable.

Enemies, who desire to destroy your independence and your Republic, may be an ideal of the strongest force that the world has ever seen, and through force and deceit they may have taken possession of all fortresses and arsenals of the Fatherland; and all the armies may have been disbanded, and the country actually and completely occupied.

And furthermore to add to the deplorable gravity of the situation, those who nominally hold the power of government within the country may have sunk into error, fallacy, and even treachery, and those holders of power may even have united their personal interests with the ambitions of the invaders. It may happen that the nation will find itself in a state of ruin and complete exhaustion through poverty and need.

Oh, Child of the Turkish Future! Even under those circumstances and in the face of such events, your duty is to save Turkish independence and the Republic. The power that you need is there, surging mightily in the noble blood which flows in your veins.



NE MUTLU TÜRK'ÜM D?YENE..!!!

I'll continue for you...

ALL HAIL ATATURK!

We must crush the uppity minorities because they want to take your independence away. Enemies are all around us, everyone wants to destory the great Turkish state. We must be willing to kill everything we do not understand because it may destory us. We must build a vast Turksih state from the Aegean to the Great Wall of China. War is the only way to destroy the minorities, the intellectuals, the liberals!

[Joseph]

Türke soyk?r?m yapt? diyen?n Türkiyede i?i ne bizim topra??m?zda ya?ad?klar? halde bize ihanet eden kara kinli karra dilli kara dinli kara donlu patrikleriniz bizim ülkemizdeler ama yedikleri kaba tuvaletini yapan insanl?ar bunlar .bizki tarihte dünyaya hükmetmni? kutlu ?rk?z .Türk ?rk?y?z dünyaya ho?görüyle hükmetmi? bir ?rk?z sizin papan?z zmaan?nda bizim Büyük Türk büy?ümüz olan Atillan?n ayaklar?ndan öpmü? ve ?öle demi? ''senden bütün hristiyanlaar ve roma halk? ad?na özür diliyorum'' demi?.. siz zjmaan?nda bizim halkm?zd?n?z bizim milletimizdiniz osmanl? devleti bürkrasisi size ho?görülü yakla?t? az?onl?klar meclise konuldu ama siz bizi s?rt?m?zdan vurdunuz anadoluda kad?nlar?m?z? çöocuklar?m?z? katlettiniz azerbaycandaki Türk soyda?lar?m?z? katlettizniz.siz çok önemli bi millet dewilsiniz bizki DÜnyan?n her yerinde olan zaman?nda dünyayaa hükmetmi? 7000senelik ?anl? bir tarihle ya?am?? b?ir milletiz AVrupaya ?erefli bir ?ekilde girmek diyorsunuz . biz avrupaya girmek felan istemiyoruz onlarki zaman?nda bizim köpe?imizdiler ne i?imiz var onlarla...
B?R TÜRK DÜNYAYA BEDELD?R:..

Read any good Mein Kampf lately? Can you tell me about Ataturks Sun Theory?

[Joseph]

Türklere uygulanan soyk?r?mlar

? sayg?lar?mla
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Yes, everyone is against Turkey. There is a massive conspiracy to take over your land, that's why you are and EU candidate. You must head the call of the late Alparslan Turkes, and create a a vast Turkish state from the Aegean to China. First you must subdue the "Mountain Turks", then you must cleanse Turkey of the minorities and liberals.

Turkey Uber Alles!!!

[Gavur]

Official English Transcript of the Press Conference by His Holiness

PRESS RELEASE
Mother See of Holy Etchmiadzin, Information Services
Address: Vagharshapat, Republic of Armenia
Contact: Rev. Fr. Ktrij Devejian
Tel: (374 10) 517 163
Fax: (374 10) 517 301
E-Mail: [email protected]
Website: www.armenianchurch.org
June 29, 2006

Official English Transcript of the Press Conference by His Holiness
Karekin II Supreme Patriarch and Catholicos of All Armenians At the
Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople

Kumkapi, Istanbul, Turkey
25 June 2006

The moderator of the press conference was Ms. Luiz Bakar, spokesman for the
Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople. His Beatitude Archbishop Mesrob
Mutafian, Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople introduced His Holiness.

His Beatitude Mesrob Mutafian: Welcome, dear friends. His Holiness has
allocated one half hour from his itinerary for today to be with you. He is
here on a pontifical visit upon the joint invitation of the Greek Patriarch
and the Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople. He will be with us until June
27. Prior to his visit, a number of strange news stories appeared in
various media and news outlets, which caused us amazement. The articles had
stated that the Armenian community and the Patriarchate were anxious with
this visit; however there was no such unease in the community. Up until
this point, the visit has been progressing as planned. The first two days
of the visit, the Catholicos was the guest of the Greek Patriarch, according
to their itinerary; thereafter we visited Armenian churches and the sites
and museums of Istanbul together. Since our time is limited, I request that
there be no repetitions of questions. You may now ask any questions which
you desire.


Question: Your Holiness, you are here as the guest of the Greek Patriarch.
He is making efforts directed at bringing the two Churches closer. What is
your opinion on this and what will be the steps you implement?

His Holiness Karekin II: We are visiting Constantinople upon the invitation
of the Armenian Patriarch and the Greek Ecumenical Patriarch. We have come
on a pontifical visit to the Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople and a
fraternal visit to the Ecumenical Patriarchate. As part of our visit (with
the Ecumenical Patriarch), there were meetings between the clergy of our
Churches, where we discussed the theological and dogmatic issues about which
there has been ongoing dialogue for quite a long time; meetings have
occurred and will continue to take place. The purpose of our visit to the
Ecumenical Patriarch was the reinforcement and strengthening of the
brotherly ties between our sister Churches, as well as the continuation of
the existing collaboration between our Churches with a new spirit and new
warmth.


Question: During your meeting with the Governor of Istanbul, you stated
that you are pleased with the regular (airline) flights between Yerevan and
Istanbul, however similar steps must continue. What do mean by `steps'?

His Holiness Karekin II: We expressed our satisfaction that
Yerevan-Istanbul flights occur regularly. As you are aware, our country -
the Republic of Armenia - is inclined to improve relations with Turkey, and
we are certain that as a result (of those improved relations) we will find
solutions. We shall be able to concurrently search for and find solutions
to the issues that exist in the relationship between our two peoples, one
example being the issue of the Genocide, of which you are aware.


Question: As you just mentioned, the issue of the Genocide exists between
Turkey and Armenia. We, meaning the opinion of Turkish society, are not
limited by the Armenians of Armenia. We see three groups of Armenians:
Diaspora, Armenians of Turkey, and Armenia. What are your thoughts? During
these deliberations, whom must Turkey consider? And the Armenians, whom do
they consider - the Turkish government or...? As you know, this issue is
being discussed in certain Turkish intellectual circles. In different
universities, specifically the University of Bilgi, this issue has been
discussed during different symposia where the Armenian Patriarch Mutafian
was also present. Taking the aforementioned into consideration, I want to
ask two questions: Who must represent the Turkish and Armenian sides and
what steps must be taken? And the second question, how do you evaluate the
atmosphere of democratic debate in Turkey?

His Holiness Karekin II: We are one people; dispersed throughout the
world. However, we are a people that have statehood. And naturally, the
Republic of Turkey can discuss these issues and find solutions with the
Republic of Armenia. For 90 years, the issue of the Genocide has been
researched by the academics of the world, and manifold volumes have been
written. For our people, the Genocide is not a matter for research - it is
a reality of fact that happened, which must be recognized. That
(recognition) is naturally the desired option, but a negative position can
also be taken on this issue.

If academic conferences in Turkey are intended to present the actuality of
the Genocide to Turkish society, then it shall be possible to welcome them.
If they are politically motivated, to further the position of denial,
naturally that won't have a positive influence on resolving this issue. We
are satisfied to see that in the life of Turkish society, within
democratization processes, people are speaking and reflecting on the issue
of the Genocide during the First World War to a certain extent.


Question: During his meeting with the governor of Istanbul, the Catholicos
stated, `A certain amount of progress is noticeable in Turkish society. If
necessary steps are taken, everything can be much better.' These words were
translated by (Armenian Patriarch) Mutafian. What is lacking in the life of
Turkish society and what did you have in mind?

His Holiness Karekin II: During our conversation with the governor, we have
said that we are pleased, that in the life of ethnic and religious
minorities, as it relates to the Armenian Apostolic Church and the
Ecumenical Patriarchate, some concerns are receiving their positive
solutions. We can see that for many decades, it was impossible to renovate
the (headquarters of the) Patriarchate, and today we see it restored.
Permission has been granted, and churches are being repaired. However, we
noted that there are a certain number of other concerns, the resolution of
which would benefit the greater strengthening of community life. For
example, among these issues are property rights and organizational matters
for educational activities.


Question: The Catholicos stated that the two states must discuss the issue
of the Genocide. However in recent times, discussions were held in Turkey
when two Armenians of Turkey participated, among them Hrant Dink. The law
which was being debated in France, whereby the deniers of the Genocide would
be held criminally liable, was opposed by nine Turkish intellectuals who
sent a letter to France. They asserted that expressing a viewpoint about
the Genocide must not have consequences. This is one example of the fact
that Turkey and Armenia are not alone in debating this issue, and that there
are other states, which make decisions in their parliaments about the
Genocide. In this regard, the issue assumed an international character.
What is your opinion? Is it correct for other states to be drawn into this
matter?

His Holiness Karekin II: Genocide against any nation is not limited to the
life or borders of one people. Genocide does not recognize ethnicity.
Genocide envelopes all of mankind. And for that reason, when similar
actions are being committed in any corner of the world, states and nations
raise their voices in condemnation, to prevent similar incidents in the life
of mankind. Only in this manner will it be possible to keep mankind free
from similar tragedies.

Regarding the first part of the question, that should only Turkey and
Armenia be concerned with this issue, we wish to further clarify that the
Armenian people have statehood. But the issue concerns all Armenians.
Armenians dispersed throughout the world. Every single individual
Armenian. However the body that represents the rights of the nation, and
guarantees those rights, obviously, is the state.


Question: The Catholicos says that the issue of the Genocide for Armenian
society is not one that needs research, rather it is reality. Does this
position not obstruct the resolution of this issue, perhaps, since the
Turkish side continues to deny the Genocide? In other words, is it not
possible to study the Genocide?

His Holiness Karekin II: Obviously, if Turkey denies (the Genocide), it is
impossible to resolve this issue. If the facts are present, then what's the
point in discussing the necessity to debate the facts? There must be the
will to record, confirm and accept the facts.


Question: What do you propose as a way of resolving this issue?

His Holiness Karekin II: We believe that as many states and countries have
done, Turkey also has the capability to conduct the corresponding studies,
and add its name to that list of many countries, by recognizing the Armenian
Genocide. Armenia has never held similar deliberations with any of the
other countries who have recognized and condemned the Armenian Genocide.
Because the facts exist, they can be studied, and based upon those facts, a
decision and position can be made. This cannot be or be proposed to be an
issue which necessitates discussions.


Question: You say that to keep humanity free from the repetition of similar
sorrows, that they must be studied and accepted. But have you ever made a
statement regarding the events taking place in Iraq, which is very close to
both Turkey and Armenia? As you are aware, the intervention of the United
States of America is present there. What do you think about this, and what
are you doing about it?

His Holiness Karekin II: We as a Church, express our voice of indignation
on every occasion when a hand is raised against the greatest treasure of
God's creation - human life.


Question: You visited the seminary on the Island of Halki. What are you
thoughts, since that seminary is not operating at present?

His Holiness Karekin II: I am pleased with the process of democratization
which is taking place today in the Republic of Turkey. And I am certain
that in time, all those issues will find their positive solutions.


Question: Did you like Istanbul?

His Holiness Karekin II: We have not had the opportunity to see Istanbul.
But in these past few days, we mentioned in our remarks that in Istanbul,
there are many valuable and beautiful buildings, churches, etc. However,
the most valuable, the most beautiful for me is our people, our community,
for whom we are conducting our Pontifical Visit. Having this as our primary
concern, naturally, we have allocated all of our time for the strengthening
of the spiritual life of our people and to the work of reinforcing their
faith. Nevertheless, I am certain that another opportunity will be created,
and we shall be able to have the necessary amount of time to see the sights
of Istanbul. For example, yesterday, we were able to visit the Dolmabahçe
palace museum and the Hagia Sophia, which greatly impressed us.


Question: There is a report that you desired to pray when at the Hagia
Sophia, but were prohibited from doing so.

His Holiness Karekin II: We are not aware of any such occurrence.


Question: From the first day of your visit, there have been protest
demonstrations. What do you think about this?

His Holiness Karekin II: The protest demonstrations in no way affected
neither our mood nor our mission. We would prefer that there be no place
for similar demonstrations in the relationship between our two peoples. We
are destined to live side by side as neighbors, and therefore it is
necessary to cultivate, educate and nurture appropriate relationships
between neighboring peoples. I am convinced that in my next trip, we won't
see similar demonstrations or expressions. And even if there are protests
such as these, we must understand that we still have work to do, both of us
together, to exclude similar occurrences.


Question: During the Eurovision competition, Turkey gave 10 points to
Armenia. How do you evaluate this fact?

His Holiness Karekin II: We see nothing negative in this.


Question: Is this perhaps a step forward on the part of Turkey?

His Holiness Karekin II: Of course, it is a step, which must be positively
assessed. God willing, that this positive course leads us to the resolution
of the fundamental issue.


Question: Although your visit was not `official' in nature, you were
received by the governor of Istanbul. An occurrence such has this has not
happened since 1961. What do you think about this? Do you asses this as a
positive step? Were there any other similar offers? If yes, then for what
reason did they not occur?

His Holiness Karekin II: We recognize our meeting with the governor as a
display of his appreciation for the Armenian community, and their important
contributions and service to the life of Turkish society. We have not had
nor do we have any objections to meeting with any state official, whether
the suggestion is made by our community or by any other entity. There was
the concept, at one time, to organize a meeting with the religious leader of
Turkey, but it became unfeasible to bring it to fruition. The reasons being
that the congestion of our itinerary for this trip did not provide the
opportunity.

We express our thanks for this meeting and for such an open discussion. We
wish you all the best.