Shamil Basayev Annihilated in Special Operation in Ingushetia

[Gavur]

And I'm sad he's dead.

Lived by the sword;so he died by the sword.

[ardakilic]

And you feel sad for Basayev?I have nothing more to say.

As far as i understood what you quoted, Basayev sees Russia responsible for Beslan deaths. So?

I tried to explain but once more: I am sad because Chechen resistence lost one of its leaders.

I am not convinced that Soghomon Tehlirian, Omer Mukhtar or Basayev was terrorist. I am not mixing different things or trying to bastardize or changing the subject; just telling the point of view.

[ardakilic]

Lived by the sword;so he died by the sword.

That's the best explanation about him i think, as Jesus Christ stated Matthew 26:52.

[Alexandros]

As far as i understood what you quoted, Basayev sees Russia responsible for Beslan deaths. So?

I tried to explain but once more: I am sad because Chechen resistence lost one of its leaders.

I am not convinced that Soghomon Tehlirian, Omer Mukhtar or Basayev was terrorist. I am not mixing different things or trying to bastardize or changing the subject; just telling the point of view.

What do you expect him to say?To put the blame on himself?The reason I quoted the excerpt of the article was to show you that BASAYEV HIMSELF CLAIMED WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RUSSIAN SCHOOL HOSTAGE SIEGE.

I will try one more time let`s if you will understand:

Basayev has said he organized the raid on Beslan, in southern Russia almost exactly a year ago, which ended with 330 people dead, half of them children.

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Oh, as for being a terrorist.Look what Basayev said about himself:

Basayev, Russia's most wanted man, who describes himself as "a bad guy, a bandit, a terrorist," is the new first deputy prime minister in Chechnya's separatist government, said a document posted on the rebel Web site www.kavkazcenter.net.

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And this is what Basayev had to say about bin Laden:

I have not met bin Laden. I received no money from him, but I would not have declined the offer...

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Arda, if you want to continue to defend Basayev please feel free to do it.

[ardakilic]

[...] if you will understand:

Arda, if you want to continue to defend Basayev please feel free to do it.

Out of this provocative discourse, let me try to explain my ponit of view. But before that, i sufficiently feel free to define my opinions in a clear way and don't see any need to hide something.

For me, there is no rationalization or legalization of attacking civilian targets, i said it before. But this lack of base doesnot make a cause illegal. This is what i said (and i said i am sad, i will explain). Examples for this situation can be ASALA, PKK and Chechen resistence. These groups attacked civilian targets for their causes and this cannot be legalized. But this illegality doesnot imply that Armenian recognition cause, Kurdish existence struggle or Chechen independence fight was illegal also.

[Steph]

Out of this provocative discourse, let me try to explain my ponit of view. But before that, i sufficiently feel free to define my opinions in a clear way and don't see any need to hide something.

For me, there is no rationalization or legalization of attacking civilian targets, i said it before. But this lack of base doesnot make a cause illegal. This is what i said (and i said i am sad, i will explain). Examples for this situation can be ASALA, PKK and Chechen resistence. These groups attacked civilian targets for their causes and this cannot be legalized. But this illegality doesnot imply that Armenian recognition cause, Kurdish existence struggle or Chechen independence fight was illegal also.

Okay Arda, fair point, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, BUT that assumes the terrorist/freedom fighter does not cross a line, the chechen did, a line that cannot be crossed back. The chechen and his dogs targeted children in full knowledge that their actions would result in the deaths of children and women. No-one should be sad that this man is dead, every country should offer support and resources to the FSB for the elimination of the chechens involved, I don't think the world is big enough for them to hide.
Once any group choose to target women & children they lose all legitimacy and so does,to a great degree, the cause they represent. I include in groups who crossed the line : IRA, PLO, ASALA, UDA and many others.

[ardakilic]

Once any group choose to target women & children they lose all legitimacy and so does,to a great degree, the cause they represent. I include in groups who crossed the line : IRA, PLO, ASALA, UDA and many others.

We are getting closer to a point i think, a good point. Let me sum it up:

Targeting civilians cannot be seen in legitimacy. We all agree.

Your proposition: Once a group target civilians, it looses the legality or rationality of its cause.

The point that i object is that. A cause cannot be condemned by looking at its followers actions. Even all Armenians kill whoever they see, for example, AG Recognition cause is still legal.

So your words about eliminating all Chechens just make my hair raising.

[Alexandros]

We are getting closer to a point i think, a good point. Let me sum it up:

Targeting civilians cannot be seen in legitimacy. We all agree.

Your proposition: Once a group target civilians, it looses the legality or rationality of its cause.

The point that i object is that. A cause cannot be condemned by looking at its followers actions. Even all Armenians kill whoever they see, for example, AG Recognition cause is still legal.

So your words about eliminating all Chechens just make my hair raising.

That was not what steph said.Let me quote what steph said:

Originally Posted by steph
No-one should be sad that this man is dead, every country should offer support and resources to the FSB for the elimination of the chechens involved, I don't think the world is big enough for them to hide.

Those chechens who were involved in terror activities.Not civilian chechens.Can`t you see the difference.

[ardakilic]

That was not what steph said.Let me quote what steph said:



Those chechens who were involved in terror activities.Not civilian chechens.Can`t you see the difference.

OK i misunderstood. I am sorry.

[Alexandros]

OK i misunderstood. I am sorry.

No problem arda.It`s ok.