Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

[Anush]

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I don't feel that I am being synical, but this is simply my point of view. This government is driven by financial and resource gain. Do you see the US alienating Turkey in favor of Armenia? There has been verbal recognition of the Genocide since the times of Wilsons' presidency. Verbal recognition without any form of action seems almost worthless in my humble opinion.

[Gavur]

Re: Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

I don't feel that I am being cynical, but this is simply my point of view. This government is driven by financial and resource gain. Do you see the US alienating Turkey in favor of Armenia? There has been verbal recognition of the Genocide since the times of Wilsons' presidency. Verbal recognition without any form of action seems almost worthless in my humble opinion.

I see where your coming from, let me restate it then.If I took your position I would think I was being a cynic, but you seem to subscribe more to a real politic principles.
When It comes to real politic I'm like the Turkish government regarding the Genocide. I may acknowledge some forms of it exist (but,not without justification) but refuse to recognize it, so for me recognition of real politic is impossible since it doesn't benefit me or my cause, but acknowledging it is possible, as long as there's a consensus of truth (through collaboration) out there and a fork in the road of real-politic.

Since our aim is to be that fork in the road for Turkey, they must deal with us and our concerns.

[Eddo211]

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As long as US and Israel continue with their current foreign policies which hasn’t change in the last 60 years the AG will never be and it cannot be allowed to officially be recognized. The way everything has been freaking setup it would be like shooting yourself in the foot as a President if you recognize it……without Turkey’s support for example Israel would be a sitting duck and may have to prepare for an all out defensive war.

Regardless Armenians must never stop pushing for the recognition because even though we know it won’t pass due to Greed and power to control the ME (which cannot be done without their puppet State Turkey) that will always be above obligation to the Morality and the truth of AG.

For us to give up would be a great psychological and strategic defeat which will give Turkey exactly the type of political victory that they have been pushing for since the beginning.

I am going to the little Armenia tomorrow knowing very well that it will not pass. We must increase the pressure every year no matter what……you never know what the Geo-politics of the future might be and we must put ourselves in a position to take full advantage of that when the time comes.

[Anush]

Re: Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

As long as US and Israel continue with their current foreign policies which hasn’t change in the last 60 years the AG will never be and it cannot be allowed to officially be recognized. The way everything has been freaking setup it would be like shooting yourself in the foot as a President if you recognize it……without Turkey’s support for example Israel would be a sitting duck and may have to prepare for an all out defensive war.

Regardless Armenians must never stop pushing for the recognition because even though we know it won’t pass due to Greed and power to control the ME (which cannot be done without their puppet State Turkey) that will always be above obligation to the Morality and the truth of AG.

For us to give up would be a great psychological and strategic defeat which will give Turkey exactly the type of political victory that they have been pushing for since the beginning.

I am going to the little Armenia tomorrow knowing very well that it will not pass. We must increase the pressure every year no matter what……you never know what the Geo-politics of the future might be and we must put ourselves in a position to take full advantage of that when the time comes.

I agree with what you are saying Eddo. I dont think for one minute that we should forget or not push for what is due.

[Pazooki]

Re: Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

As long as US and Israel continue with their current foreign policies which hasn’t change in the last 60 years the AG will never be and it cannot be allowed to officially be recognized. The way everything has been freaking setup it would be like shooting yourself in the foot as a President if you recognize it……without Turkey’s support for example Israel would be a sitting duck and may have to prepare for an all out defensive war.

Regardless Armenians must never stop pushing for the recognition because even though we know it won’t pass due to Greed and power to control the ME (which cannot be done without their puppet State Turkey) that will always be above obligation to the Morality and the truth of AG.

For us to give up would be a great psychological and strategic defeat which will give Turkey exactly the type of political victory that they have been pushing for since the beginning.

I am going to the little Armenia tomorrow knowing very well that it will not pass. We must increase the pressure every year no matter what……you never know what the Geo-politics of the future might be and we must put ourselves in a position to take full advantage of that when the time comes.

Little Armenia is gonna full of Armo's showing off their cars and honking. Showing other races what kind of people we are like that :/

I'm going to the Turkish Embassy tomorrow. The marching over their is more serious.

[Eddo211]

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I agree with what you are saying Eddo. I dont think for one minute that we should forget or not push for what is due.

That thought never crossed my mind, especially after the way you said what you said azizam……….It was my way of backing you words.

BTW, I like it when you get opinioned.



Thanks Sero, good idea. 4801 Wishire Blvd. I will be there.

[Pazooki]

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Actually its 6300 Wilshire Blvd :P at 4:00 pm

[Alexandros]

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Members of Russia's Armenian diaspora hold a demonstration in Moscow today to commemorate the anniversary of mass killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks, many calling on President Obama to honor a pledge to class the massacres as "genocide."


Obama won't use 'genocide' in statement on massacre of Armenians

The move backs away from a campaign promise; it comes as Armenia and Turkey announce movement in talks to ease strained relations. U.S. relations with Turkey, a key ally in region, also are at stake.

By Christi Parsons
April 25, 2009

Reporting from Washington -- President Barack Obama will not use the word "genocide" today when he issues a statement remembering the slaughter of more than a million Armenians during the last days of the Ottoman Empire.

On the anniversary of the day in 1915 that marked the beginning of the atrocities in Turkey, the president instead will ask for an examination of the past "so that it can be better understood," according to a senior administration official.

Obama still stands by the views he has expressed on the subject in the past, the official said today, speaking in advance of the president's statement on condition of anonymity. As a U.S. senator and a presidential candidate, Obama called for Turkey to acknowledge the genocide -- and promised to do so himself if elected president.

But since moving into the Oval office, Obama has backed away from the pledge out of concern that a furor over it might disrupt delicate diplomatic discussions now going on between Armenia and Turkey.

"He has his views, and his views are known," the official said. The president's goal is to see Turkey "reckon with the events of 1915," the aide said. He added Obama thinks the best way to promote that is with the diplomatically crafted statement being issued today.

The decision over how to handle the April 24 remembrance date is a politically difficult one for the president. Turkish officials did not ask Obama to stay away from the question of genocide, the official said, but the president is acutely aware of and interested in the state of talks between the two countries.

Today's commemoration date falls two days after Turkey and Armenia announced movement in ongoing talks to ease relations between their two countries. Relations have been strained for decades.

The Turkish foreign ministry said Wednesday that the two sides have come up with a framework for continued talks but provided few details on how, exactly, it might work. They have made "tangible progress" toward mutual understanding and come up with a "road map" for how to proceed, according to the statement.

Still, the measure is considered the first breakthrough in talks in more than a decade.

Since Obama took office, Armenian Americans and human rights activists have been asking him to make good on the campaign promise to declare the mass killing a genocide. Advocates hoped the declaration would come today.

But Obama signaled he might take a different route during a trip to Turkey earlier this month, when he refrained from using the word "genocide" to describe the killings. In a joint press conference with Turkish President Abdullah Gul, Obama said he hadn't changed his mind about the historical record but still declined to use the word when asked by a reporter about his position.

"I'm not interested in the U.S. tilting these negotiations one way or another while they are having a useful discussion," Obama said in early April.

Obama's administration has a lot riding on U.S. relations with Turkey, a key U.S. ally in Iraq and Afghanistan. Turkish leaders have historically opposed measures such as the Armenian Genocide resolution now pending before Congress. Offending Turkey could put U.S. supply routes to Iraq and Afghanistan in danger.

Ankara is also an influential player on a host of other critical issues on the Obama agenda, including Middle East peace and Iran.

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[Anush]

Re: Obama refuses to Call Armenian Genocide a Genocide

That thought never crossed my mind, especially after the way you said what you said azizam……….It was my way of backing you words.

BTW, I like it when you get opinioned.

Thank You Eddo!!

[Anush]

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My cousin in New York just sent me this.. I dont know if because of the time difference if it is showing up on the West Coast for us yet...



Obama Breaks PledgeShare
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THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
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For Immediate Release
April 24, 2009

Statement of President Barack Obama on Armenian Remembrance Day

Ninety four years ago, one of the great atrocities of the 20th century began. Each year, we pause to remember the 1.5 million Armenians who were subsequently massacred or marched to their death in the final days of the Ottoman Empire. The Meds Yeghern must live on in our memories, just as it lives on in the hearts of the Armenian people.

History, unresolved, can be a heavy weight. Just as the terrible events of 1915 remind us of the dark prospect of man’s inhumanity to man, reckoning with the past holds out the powerful promise of reconciliation. I have consistently stated my own view of what occurred in 1915, and my view of that history has not changed. My interest remains the achievement of a full, frank and just acknowledgment of the facts.

The best way to advance that goal right now is for the Armenian and Turkish people to address the facts of the past as a part of their efforts to move forward. I strongly support efforts by the Turkish and Armenian people to work through this painful history in a way that is honest, open, and constructive. To that end, there has been courageous and important dialogue among Armenians and Turks, and within Turkey itself. I also strongly support the efforts by Turkey and Armenia to normalize their bilateral relations. Under Swiss auspices, the two governments have agreed on a framework and roadmap for normalization. I commend this progress, and urge them to fulfill its promise.

Together, Armenia and Turkey can forge a relationship that is peaceful, productive and prosperous. And together, the Armenian and Turkish people will be stronger as they acknowledge their common history and recognize their common humanity.

Nothing can bring back those who were lost in the Meds Yeghern. But the contributions that Armenians have made over the last ninety-four years stand as a testament to the talent, dynamism and resilience of the Armenian people, and as the ultimate rebuke to those who tried to destroy them. The United States of America is a far richer country because of the many Americans of Armenian descent who have contributed to our society, many of whom immigrated to this country in the aftermath of 1915. Today, I stand with them and with Armenians everywhere with a sense of friendship, solidarity, and deep respect.