Vive La France !!!!!

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

When the issue of the normalisation came up, rich Turkish businessmen began to flock to Yerevan in order to prepare deals when the border would open. You have a much poorer and backwards area right near the border of Armenia, so expect backwards Kurds/Turks to want to flock to Armenia in such a scenario. With a fragile demographics, this cannot be allowed.

Yes you are right lets leave Armenia in the state of isolation it is right now. Right now Iran is being put into isolation as well. So pretty soon we will only have Georgia to contact the outside world. So tell how do you propose Armenia to improve its economical situation right now without opening the border?

Do you know how much research is done by companies before they invest even let alone open a branch in a different country? No Turkish company will move into Armenia where Russian companies are calling most of the shots what is happening in the market. The Armenian market is much to small to attract many Turkish investors, but the reverse is more likely to happen. Armenians moving and getting a piece of the Turkish market.

And why would a Turk of Kurd move to Armenia that is as poor as the region that they are moving from? Wouldn't it better for them to move to Western Anatolia, where people speak the same language and where they will be accepted?
This nothing than fearmongering that you are doing right now, you are acting like if the borders are opened Armenia is obliged to allow anyone that wants to enter its territory or even move there or start a business.

winwinwinwingaingaingainwhywhywhy? PRINCIPLES.

Do you have figures for this? Did you run a plebiscite? Or just guess because it supports your point?
As for who is or isn't delusional, trust a turc, go live in turcey or baku, go tell a baboon in Moscow that you're Armenian, go on military manouvres in Hungary with CIS & baboon troops and have an axe put in your head.



You choose to be very selective when putting trust and belief in politicians : a politician is a seeker or holder of public office who is more concerned about winning favor or retaining office than about maintaining principles. Even your Dashnaks, without who the border you want opened would be further into Armenia. And I love your "no real party", does that mean my Saturday Night Party doesn't count?

You're right in only one area, with the border open we would be less dependent on georgians because they would be displaced by the pashas.


When exactly in the past didn't they come to Yerevan? The only thing that stopped them for 70 years was Soviet Union.

So if we aren't gaining anything why are we doing this? We aren't harming our enemies, the State of Turkey will continue the denial. Then tell me what is the point of this? Why is so much resources being wasted on this that could be used to build our nation?

You do know that we have more than 500000 Armenians living in Turkey right now, right? So again trying fear monger, and play on peoples emotions why the border should not be opened. Without opening 90% of its borders Armenia will never be able to improve its economical situation. But I guess you don't care about that do you?

What principles are you talking about? Armenia didn't close the border, the border was closed by the enemy and we almost lost the war because of it. You don't get what the closed borders are doing to the Armenian economy do you? It seems its so much easier to point fingers and fear monger then to try to change something for the better.

[Mos]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

The border will not be opened until Artsakh issue has been dealt with. Is there anything left that they can blackmail us with after Artsakh gains recognition?
Can you tell me why they would come to Yerevan? They didn't do it in the past, why would they do it so in the future. Is it the Armenian economy that is inviting them or ?

When the issue of the normalisation came up, rich Turkish businessmen began to flock to Yerevan in order to prepare deals when the border would open. You have a much poorer and backwards area right near the border of Armenia, so expect backwards Kurds/Turks to want to flock to Armenia in such a scenario. With a fragile demographics, this cannot be allowed.

[hrai]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

I do not like turcs and their turan
I do not like them, Hrai-I-am
Do not like them here or there
I do not like them anywhere.

I do not like cats and their fur
I do not like cats, I'd show them the door
I do not like cats and their maiowing
I just wish they'd shut up.

[hrai]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

So we invest all this money and man power into this law and we gain nothing? Will it bring our lands back? Strengthen the Armenian economy? What have we gained? Can anyone tell me something that the Armenians and that Armenian nation has gained from this law? Every time we invest money, time and man power into these projects and gain so little.

winwinwinwingaingaingainwhywhywhy? PRINCIPLES.

Look at the US, we support every candidate that promises us to recognise the Armenian genocide and for more than 20 years we have wasted money and man power to gain something that will not be gained as long as Turkey is in Nato and the US has a stake in the Middle-East. However every time you see Armenian organisations acting like chickens and supporting some retarded candidate. Now we get back to France, why do you think that Sarkozy allowed for this bill to pass? Is it because he likes the Armenians or does he hate the Turks? No he is a politician and he will do what is the best for him and his career. He wants to be elected for president and Armenians are one the most powerful minorities in France. To me it seems that he is using the deaths of my ancestors to become president again. Because I know he doesn't give a crap about Armenians or Armenia. And if you think he does you are delusional.

The border will open because the majority of Armenians that live in Armenia want it.

Do you have figures for this? Did you run a plebiscite? Or just guess because it supports your point?
As for who is or isn't delusional, trust a turc, go live in turcey or baku, go tell a baboon in Moscow that you're Armenian, go on military manouvres in Hungary with CIS & baboon troops and have an axe put in your head.

No real party is against the opening of the border because all of the see that the Armenian economy can not start growing without open borders. With the Turkish and Azeri border open we will be less dependent on the Georgians as well. Or do you think a country with minimal resources can survive on its own?
When even the Dashnaks support the opening of the border.

You choose to be very selective when putting trust and belief in politicians : a politician is a seeker or holder of public office who is more concerned about winning favor or retaining office than about maintaining principles. Even your Dashnaks, without who the border you want opened would be further into Armenia. And I love your "no real party", does that mean my Saturday Night Party doesn't count?

You're right in only one area, with the border open we would be less dependent on georgians because they would be displaced by the pashas.

The border will not be opened until Artsakh issue has been dealt with. Is there anything left that they can blackmail us with after Artsakh gains recognition?
Can you tell me why they would come to Yerevan? They didn't do it in the past, why would they do it so in the future. Is it the Armenian economy that is inviting them or ?

When exactly in the past didn't they come to Yerevan? The only thing that stopped them for 70 years was Soviet Union.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

I have no wish to reach accomodation with turcs or their governments, I have no wish to mix with turcs abroad, I have no wish for turcs in my country, I have no wish for turcs.

I do not like turcs and their turan
I do not like them, Hrai-I-am
Do not like them here or there
I do not like them anywhere.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

So this is aimed at the retards who know nothing about the Armenian genocide? How does that improve anything for the Armenian nation? I see everyone celebrating like we have won a victory or something but no one has been able to tell me what we have won.

And those retards number maybe a handful.
So, fundamental liberties that are at the core of both democratic ideals and academic freedom are to be abolished in France thanks to a law that is designed to silence a few retards that almost nobody listens to. And all just because some Armenians get all hot and bothered because they do listen to those retards and think "down with this sort of thing". If I were a Frenchman, I'd say "get rid of these damned Armenians and keep our liberties intact". So the end result is much worse than not doing anything to improve the Armenian nation - it makes Armenians appear to be a social menace, a malign influence to free societies.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

I see this law as stopping the 8th stage of genocide. It is aimed at denialists regardless of their mental ability.

This isn't about winning and losing.

If all nations have such law eventually the turcs will be denied their foul denial in all countries. What the turc state itself does I could care less.

Again, does everything have to be about winning or losing?


Anyone who wants the borders open is blind and forgetful. The border you want opened is not the true border...............you want this border open ? When baboons shoot across the lines on the east you will let the wolves in through the front door.
I suppose it is easy to say when you don't live there, most of my family still do and not one of them want the border open.
I would be interested to read any posts you have made on political parties and how you follow their particular lines, using them as a reason is beyond ridicule.

I have no wish to reach accomodation with turcs or their governments, I have no wish to mix with turcs abroad, I have no wish for turcs in my country, I have no wish for turcs.

So we invest all this money and man power into this law and we gain nothing? Will it bring our lands back? Strengthen the Armenian economy? What have we gained? Can anyone tell me something that the Armenians and that Armenian nation has gained from this law? Every time we invest money, time and man power into these projects and gain so little.

Look at the US, we support every candidate that promises us to recognise the Armenian genocide and for more than 20 years we have wasted money and man power to gain something that will not be gained as long as Turkey is in Nato and the US has a stake in the Middle-East. However every time you see Armenian organisations acting like chickens and supporting some retarded candidate. Now we get back to France, why do you think that Sarkozy allowed for this bill to pass? Is it because he likes the Armenians or does he hate the Turks? No he is a politician and he will do what is the best for him and his career. He wants to be elected for president and Armenians are one the most powerful minorities in France. To me it seems that he is using the deaths of my ancestors to become president again. Because I know he doesn't give a crap about Armenians or Armenia. And if you think he does you are delusional.

The border will open because the majority of Armenians that live in Armenia want it. No real party is against the opening of the border because all of the see that the Armenian economy can not start growing without open borders. With the Turkish and Azeri border open we will be less dependent on the Georgians as well. Or do you think a country with minimal resources can survive on its own?
When even the Dashnaks support the opening of the border.

Having border open would have Turks/Kurds flood Yerevan, I don't think that's a sight anybody wants to see and will be bad for us in the long run. Plus, Turks would then use the border as means of blackmail. But of course they would never open it as long as Azerbaijan is there.

The border will not be opened until Artsakh issue has been dealt with. Is there anything left that they can blackmail us with after Artsakh gains recognition?
Can you tell me why they would come to Yerevan? They didn't do it in the past, why would they do it so in the future. Is it the Armenian economy that is inviting them or ?

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Having border open would have Turks/Kurds flood Yerevan, I don't think that's a sight anybody wants to see and will be bad for us in the long run. Plus, Turks would then use the border as means of blackmail. But of course they would never open it as long as Azerbaijan is there.

It is degenerate imbeciles who pose the greatest threat to Armenia's future. Compared against the damage your views could do if acted upon, the Turks are harmless and the Azeris an inconveniece.

[Mos]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Having border open would have Turks/Kurds flood Yerevan, I don't think that's a sight anybody wants to see and will be bad for us in the long run. Plus, Turks would then use the border as means of blackmail. But of course they would never open it as long as Azerbaijan is there.

[hrai]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

So this is aimed at the retards who know nothing about the Armenian genocide?

I see this law as stopping the 8th stage of genocide. It is aimed at denialists regardless of their mental ability.

How does that improve anything for the Armenian nation? I see everyone celebrating like we have won a victory or something but no one has been able to tell me what we have won.

This isn't about winning and losing.

The Turkish state will continue its denial, Turks will keep denying it,

If all nations have such law eventually the turcs will be denied their foul denial in all countries. What the turc state itself does I could care less.

so what is it that we have won? Can you tell me?

Again, does everything have to be about winning or losing?

Yes you are right lets choke our own economy, let us allow our own country to become poorer and poorer. While not living there it is really easy to say lets leave the borders closed but the reality is that the closed border is choking our economy. There is a reason that every political party wants the border opened.

Anyone who wants the borders open is blind and forgetful. The border you want opened is not the true border...............you want this border open ? When baboons shoot across the lines on the east you will let the wolves in through the front door.
I suppose it is easy to say when you don't live there, most of my family still do and not one of them want the border open.
I would be interested to read any posts you have made on political parties and how you follow their particular lines, using them as a reason is beyond ridicule.

I have no wish to reach accomodation with turcs or their governments, I have no wish to mix with turcs abroad, I have no wish for turcs in my country, I have no wish for turcs.