Vive La France !!!!!

[lampron]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

-------------- but the turcs know how to help each other and fight together ----------
So you are saying if thieves & murderers know how to help each other & fight together, then their thievery & murder are justified???
Again, your statement has no merit.
------- NONE -------
Artashes

over centuries Ottomans could be bad, sometimes very bad, probably not so bad if you lived in Istanbul or Izmir or Trabzon...but the reality is that they held together a huge empire, and you cannot do that just by cruelty

Enough about Ottomans!

What about Armenians who don't care for each other even in the middle of a catastrophe?

We discussed above about the massacre of 5,000 Armenians in 1895 triggered by a meaningless bank takeover. One political party has celebrated this episode as a victory ever since

and rival political parties mention it when convenient but in reality they don't care about the victims either!

[Artashes]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

The new generations of Turks just can't accept the truth Artashes because it is not possible for humans to do such things so they try very hard to somehow justify their parents actions for their own sanity....this is normal and I see it alot in moderate Turks.
btw, well posts Artashes.

My favorites are the real fascist Turks who want to drag your body next to Ataturk statue and are sorry that they couldn't get the job done.....we understand each other very well and I know how to make them out to be fools in front of their own supporters

over centuries Ottomans could be bad, sometimes very bad, probably not so bad if you lived in Istanbul or Izmir or Trabzon...but the reality is that they held together a huge empire, and you cannot do that just by cruelty

Enough about Ottomans!

What about Armenians who don't care for each other even in the middle of a catastrophe?

We discussed above about the massacre of 5,000 Armenians in 1895 triggered by a meaningless bank takeover. One political party has celebrated this episode as a victory ever since

and rival political parties mention it when convenient but in reality they don't care about the victims either!

----- enough about the automans (!) -----

---- could be "bad", "very bad", "not so bad" -----
Again you see two (2) examples of sly turc subtrafuge and twisting of the truth.
30,0000 killed in Adana is not so bad because 300,000 killed in Hamidan is bad because millions killed 1915/1923 is very bad.
Those killed in Constantinople (innocent people) is classified as --- NOT SO BAD ----
Ever look up the number murdered in Smyrna? Described as ---- NOT SO BAD -----
That's how the turc & their supporters --- MARGINALIZED --- the genocide.

We discussed about the 5,000 innocents killed ------ TRIGGERED!!!!!! ---- by the politically motivated bank robbery....
The Armenians are not responsible for the MURDER of the 5,000 innocents.
The turcs are.
Again you see common turc subtrafuge in twisting the culpability to "it was the Armenians" fault and the turcs were mearly "triggered by the Armenians.
FRAUD.
The automans are turcs. The grandparents and emmediate predecessor of today's turc.
See how he wants to switch the conversation from the inhuman conduct of his emmediate ancestors to the fault of the Armenian? Can you see?
This is a standard ploy to put the blam on the victims and divert attention away from the perpetrator.

[hrai]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

over centuries Ottomans could be bad, sometimes very bad, probably not so bad if you lived in Istanbul or Izmir or Trabzon...but the reality is that they held together a huge empire, and you cannot do that just by cruelty

Enough about Ottomans!

What about Armenians who don't care for each other even in the middle of a catastrophe?

We discussed above about the massacre of 5,000 Armenians in 1895 triggered by a meaningless bank takeover. One political party has celebrated this episode as a victory ever since

and rival political parties mention it when convenient but in reality they don't care about the victims either!

Yes, we've had enough of ottomans, I've had enough of turcs. You discussed what you think, but the only trigger for Armenian deaths by turcs was the trigger under turc fingers.

[lampron]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Yes, we've had enough of ottomans, I've had enough of turcs. You discussed what you think, but the only trigger for Armenian deaths by turcs was the trigger under turc fingers.

You still miss the point. Armenians who gave them the excuse to massacre have been celebrated as heroes for the last 120 years. Importantly those Armenians who celebrate them as heroes prefer not to remember the massacre of those thousands that followed

Ottomans did terrible things and were bad. Presumably Armenians with a complete lack of humanity towards fellow Armenians must be especially good!

[Artashes]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

You still miss the point. Armenians who gave them the excuse to massacre have been celebrated as heroes for the last 120 years. Importantly those Armenians who celebrate them as heroes prefer not to remember the massacre of those thousands that followed

Ottomans did terrible things and were bad. Presumably Armenians with a complete lack of humanity towards fellow Armenians must be especially good!

------- Armenians who gave them the excuse to massacre -----------
It is you Lampron who miss the point. Your above sentence is fraudulent. You turn the heartless actions of turcs into the FAULT of the Armenians because in your words the Armenians --- gave --- them the excuse.
That is utter nonsense. It was the turcs who used any EXCUSE to massacre innocent people.
----- there is NO excuse to murder 5000 innocent people Lampron.
----------- NONE ---------
------- those Armenians who celebrate prefer not to remember ---------
Lampron, you do not know those people and cannot legitimately speak for them. You do not know what they remember or think about.
---------- you are not their spokesman ------- and you don't represent them.
You represent the fraudulent turc perspective. You could not stand on the world stage and say such heartless and ludicrous things.
Apparently you fail to understand why the Armenians did the bank robbery. It's well understood its was a statement to the world.
Yes Lampron, those men who actually were not bank robbers, are heros to many of us Armenians.
It seems apparent to me you do not understand an Armenian screaming at the top of his lungs of the atrocities committed against us by the turcs.
They had nothing else. They were at their wits end. They did the best they could. You begrudge. You justify. You show no understanding or heart. You show your a turc.
Artashes

[lampron]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

You represent the fraudulent turc perspective. You could not stand on the world stage and say such heartless and ludicrous things.
Apparently you fail to understand why the Armenians did the bank robbery. It's well understood its was a statement to the world.
Yes Lampron, those men who actually were not bank robbers, are heros to many of us Armenians.
It seems apparent to me you do not understand an Armenian screaming at the top of his lungs of the atrocities committed against us by the turcs.
They had nothing else. They were at their wits end. They did the best they could. You begrudge. You justify. You show no understanding or heart. You show your a turc.
Artashes

1. There is no excuse to massacre, who says there is ?

2. On the other hand if you are weak, either you must be extremely stupid or a psycho to provoke an empire that has already carried out a few massacres.

3. If you can't see this basic fact, then I suggest your IQ is not one of your strongest points!

4. Why do you repeatedly cover up and defend those Armenians whose humanity is exactly zero? (if you tell me the answer to this question is in point 3 above you may not be far wrong!)

[Artashes]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

1. There is no excuse to massacre, who says there is ?

2. On the other hand if you are weak, either you must be extremely stupid or a psycho to provoke an empire that has already carried out a few massacres.

3. If you can't see this basic fact, then I suggest your IQ is not one of your strongest points!

4. Why do you repeatedly cover up and defend those Armenians whose humanity is exactly zero? (if you tell me the answer to this question is in point 3 above you may not be far wrong!)

Nothing wrong with my IQ sport.
The IQ you are exhibiting is where the shortage is. Standard turc iq. Feeble & fraudulent.
All the arguments you present are consistently pointing to the culpability of Armenians FOR turc actions.
------ get it -------
Try to show some IQ when answering that. So far you've exhibited none.
If you think those Armenians did that bank robbery to --- provoke --- the hominoid butchers known as turcs your kn stupid.
Your constraint conniving to show that the murdered are at fault for your god damn families action is fraudulent and heartless conniving turc scam.
Your are substituting conniving scam for reason. That don't take IQ, it takes hominoid logic, nothing more.

[Artashes]

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Also take note how lampron manages to accuse the armenians of having zero humanity.
The turcs do INHUMAN things and then accuse Armenians of having no humanity.
The turcs twist the truth to paint the victim as the one who is responsible for the purpritraitors conduct and inhumanity.
Slick lampron, that's real turcish of you.

[Eddo211]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

You still miss the point. Armenians who gave them the excuse to massacre have been celebrated as heroes for the last 120 years. Importantly those Armenians who celebrate them as heroes prefer not to remember the massacre of those thousands that followed

What you mean to say is that Armenians should have known that the Turks will turn into Borgs in a second and go Jihad/medieval on to the closest Armenian within reach be it elderly, kid, sick, women or infant.

Ottomans did terrible things and were bad. Presumably Armenians with a complete lack of humanity towards fellow Armenians must be especially good!

Liberty is not in Turkish language (or in Borgs program software)

[lampron]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Also take note how lampron manages to accuse the armenians of having zero humanity.
The turcs do INHUMAN things and then accuse Armenians of having no humanity.

Where did I accuse "armenians" of having zero humanity, you moron?

Morons, idiots and psychos who provoke a massacre and then escape to France, yes, and those who celebrate them very year, also yes!

You twist words exactly like genocide deniers do