Vive La France !!!!!

[lampron]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

and its never a good idea to think that you have learned everything there is to know about your enemy....even if you consider them predictable. Sometimes its more in the mind known reaction to collective then weapons and numbers.



depends on your definition of humanity.....and I don't dispute the power of Turkish unity and use of intimidation and Islam to their advantage (in your Ottoman times) against other tribes who could be easily assimilated.

many leading Ottomans were not Turks, but Greeks, Serbian, Armenian, Venetian, Hungarian. The Ottoman admiral Turgut Reis was a Greek convert to Islam.

The ottomans did terrible things, but the reality is more complex. How did they adminisiter such a big empire?

The Ottomans massacred 5,000 Armenians after the "Bank Ottoman" incident.

It was a catastrophe. A terrible atrocity against ordinary Armenians (many of them immigrants) who had nothing to do with revolutionaries and probably didn't even know they existed!

This tragedy should be commemorated (if Armenians care for each other...)

Instead a group of Armenians every year for the last 120 years celebrate this as a victory

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Virtually every turc who comes on this forum,first & foremost wants to be recognized as a fellow human.
They do not want to talk of --- THEIR --- history of INHUMANITY.
They want to distance themselves from that. They say ... We didn't do that.
BUT they say --- I'm a turc ---- and I get to keep the plunder.
The turc of today is as conniving & heartless as their grandparents & the ones before.
It is not the humanity of the turc that is in question.
It is the INHUMNITY of the turc.
Their is no greatness in them.
Their empire was built upon cruelty.
They gave nothing to this world but horror.
They were hated (HATED) wherever they went.
There is nothing to learn from a turc
Except how to murder,steal & lie.

The forum's most charming Armenian again shows why he is such a credit to the human race.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

The Ottomans massacred 5,000 Armenians after the "Bank Ottoman" incident.

It was a catastrophe. A terrible atrocity against ordinary Armenians (many of them immigrants) who had nothing to do with revolutionaries and probably didn't even know they existed!

The survivors of the bank raid/occupation got themselves safely evacuated to France (leaving behind those ordinary Armenians to face the blind fury of Muslim fanatics and the more calculating wrath of the Sultan). But what happened to them after they got to France?

I thuink it's important to remember that the main culprits for the massacres in Constantinople and elsewhere were frenzied mobs of "softas" (Islamic theological students) encouraged by mullahs, so it was massacre by Muslims of Christians for religious reasons. Artashes-type racism downplays the essentially religious aspect of the (pre-1915) massacres so they can indulge in their crude hate against all Turks. Works on the Genocide seem to suggest that in 1915 Islam was not central to the massacres - but given that it absolutely was central in the earlier massacres I wonder if this is actually true - it may just be convenient for all concerned to ignore it: Armenians are allowed their race hate against Turks, and hopes of compensation claims against Turkey (there could be no compensation claims against Islam since there is no Islamic "pope" or equivalent of the Catholic Church to get damages from) - and fluffy liberals get their "peace-loving Muslims" myth unchallenged by historical reality.

[Artashes]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

many leading Ottomans were not Turks, but Greeks, Serbian, Armenian, Venetian, Hungarian. The Ottoman admiral Turgut Reis was a Greek convert to Islam.

The ottomans did terrible things, but the reality is more complex. How did they adminisiter such a big empire?

The Ottomans massacred 5,000 Armenians after the "Bank Ottoman" incident.

It was a catastrophe. A terrible atrocity against ordinary Armenians (many of them immigrants) who had nothing to do with revolutionaries and probably didn't even know they existed!

This tragedy should be commemorated (if Armenians care for each other...)

Instead a group of Armenians every year for the last 120 years celebrate this as a victory

The ottoman , seljik, or any other turc in their vast majority were literally not capable of administering anything of merit. That is why they were compelled to use the capabilities of the people that they murdered in there vastness. Those people were trapped. The convert to islam was actually not voluntary, but a necessity.
--------- the ottomans massacred 5000 after bank incident ----------
(1st) you can read that as --- the turcs massacred 5000 Armenians.
There is no separation between the two or difference.
This fraud of " the ottomans were different people & we (turc of today) are not the same is just that, FRAUD.
The turcs who did the physical massacring are who? I can only guess, but my guess is the vast majority were ordinary turcs. The grandparents and great grandparents of today's turc.
These inhuman acts are what binds the turc together and distinguishes him from humanity.
Over 70+ million today and in their vastness is a thin veil of humanity masking their basic inhuman nature.
Yes, you are right, the heartless murder of the Armenians was and is a tragedy.
Grief is what is appropriate for the murdered souls.
The purpritraitors should be hunted down and brought to justice and exposed for who and what they are.
The problem with that is ---- the crime is committed by the turc as a whole. The crime was accepted by the collective. It was allowed by the collective. It was condoned by the collective.
The turc in general has only a thin venier covering his criminality & inhumanity.
Here is how you is how you pull the thin veil of humanity off a turc and expose the inhuman criminality of a turc ----------- tell them the TRUTH ----------


Watch what they do.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

The survivors of the bank raid/occupation got themselves safely evacuated to France (leaving behind those ordinary Armenians to face the blind fury of Muslim fanatics and the more calculating wrath of the Sultan). But what happened to them after they got to France?

I thuink it's important to remember that the main culprits for the massacres in Constantinople and elsewhere were frenzied mobs of "softas" (Islamic theological students) encouraged by mullahs, so it was massacre by Muslims of Christians for religious reasons. Artashes-type racism downplays the essentially religious aspect of the (pre-1915) massacres so they can indulge in their crude hate against all Turks. Works on the Genocide seem to suggest that in 1915 Islam was not central to the massacres - but given that it absolutely was central in the earlier massacres I wonder if this is actually true - it may just be convenient for all concerned to ignore it: Armenians are allowed their race hate against Turks, and hopes of compensation claims against Turkey (there could be no compensation claims against Islam since there is no Islamic "pope" or equivalent of the Catholic Church to get damages from) - and fluffy liberals get their "peace-loving Muslims" myth unchallenged by historical reality.

------- main culprits "softas" ... ---------
Here is Stevie sim's hustle ------
You see softa doesn't even sound like turc.
You see, it wasn't the turc, it was the softa, the mulla, the sultan etc.
It was the turc. The softas were turc.
The general population condoned the murders, and understood them.
The turc is muslim. The softa is simply a turc that is going to a school teaching muslim.
Long before turc was muslim, they were doing the identical thing --- murder & thievery.
------------ LONG BEFORE -----------

--------- work on genocide seems to suggest Islam NOT central to 1915 ----------
In the next sentence, Stevie sim AKA bell the "wonders" (slick) if that finding is false.
The turc uses Islam as a tool to further the turc agenda.
--------- see, I'm like you, I'm muslim --------
I discribe the turc accurately and stevie (bell) accuses me of being racist.
That's a ploy.
The turc in his commonality began as a maurading murderer & thief. Throughout the hundreds of years before they proclaimed to be muslim, that, and that alone was their history.
This is what the turc is founded upon and how they got EVERY square inch of land they call their country.
-------------- by murder & theft -------------
Nothing to do with frenzied sofas. Nothing at all.
Everything to do with frenzied turc & murder ------� MURDER -----------
No racism there.
A statement of fact.
Artashes

[Eddo211]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

The ottomans did terrible things, but the reality is more complex. How did they adminisiter such a big empire?

you answered your own question

many leading Ottomans were not Turks, but Greeks, Serbian, Armenian, Venetian, Hungarian. The Ottoman admiral Turgut Reis was a Greek convert to Islam.

Turks were good opportunists and lack of strong culture and single objectiveness worked well against weaken civilization....funny thing is that the hardest to fully conquer and the ones who came to face you long before reaching Armenian highlands were the Armenians mixed in with Persians, the Armenians, the ones who fought many ancient battles and were eventually conquered several times long before Azena gave birth to "Turks".

The Ottomans massacred 5,000 Armenians after the "Bank Ottoman" incident.

It was a catastrophe. A terrible atrocity against ordinary Armenians (many of them immigrants) who had nothing to do with revolutionaries and probably didn't even know they existed!

This tragedy should be commemorated (if Armenians care for each other...)

Instead a group of Armenians every year for the last 120 years celebrate this as a victory

Turks could not possibly understand the pain......and its too late for them as as collective to leave their life of clay and face the reality of their history.
We remain mortal enemies.....forced upon us by your government/military.

Lampron you are a good guy.

[Eddo211]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Turks drew the last straw on us, we stayed loyal despite our own groups of opposition to it but they were killing more than 5000 a month anyway destroying our villages and giving them to Kurds.
ordinary Turks could have been good neighbors but transformed from one order of collective into butchers of innocent and defenseless like women and children and elderly.
those boys at the bank did what had to be done as statement with options available at the time....

To Turks Islam is only a tool......it was so long before Ottomans and still is today...a tool used like a pro.

You want to bring in religion then know, as bad as some think of it, believe in it or not, in our case the Armenian Christianity, plus strong culture and will, shielded/guarded us from any type of mass assimilation......even Arabs claim Armenians are people of the book and can never be changed with a separate quarter in Jerusalem.

[Artashes]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Virtually every turc who comes on this forum,first & foremost wants to be recognized as a fellow human.
They do not want to talk of --- THEIR --- history of INHUMANITY.
They want to distance themselves from that. They say ... We didn't do that.
BUT they say --- I'm a turc ---- and I get to keep the plunder.
The turc of today is as conniving & heartless as their grandparents & the ones before.
It is not the humanity of the turc that is in question.
It is the INHUMNITY of the turc.
Their is no greatness in them.
Their empire was built upon cruelty.
They gave nothing to this world but horror.
They were hated (HATED) wherever they went.
There is nothing to learn from a turc
Except how to murder,steal & lie.

The forum's most charming Armenian again shows why he is such a credit to the human race.

Yes, because I tell the truth.
You have used my post & proclaimed you have proved something.
Every now and then you post something of merit.
Less frequently yet, you post something without snide, rude, witless remarks.
If you were signaling the turc of your disagreement with my post, well that is the audience you play to.
Otherwise, thanks for reposting my truthfull words.
Artashes

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

------- main culprits "softas" ... ---------
Here is Stevie sim's hustle ------
You see softa doesn't even sound like turc.
You see, it wasn't the turc, it was the softa, the mulla, the sultan etc.
It was the turc. The softas were turc.
The general population condoned the murders, and understood them.
The turc is muslim. The softa is simply a turc that is going to a school teaching muslim.
Long before turc was muslim, they were doing the identical thing --- murder & thievery.
------------ LONG BEFORE -----------

--------- work on genocide seems to suggest Islam NOT central to 1915 ----------
In the next sentence, Stevie sim AKA bell the "wonders" (slick) if that finding is false.
The turc uses Islam as a tool to further the turc agenda.
--------- see, I'm like you, I'm muslim --------
I discribe the turc accurately and stevie (bell) accuses me of being racist.
That's a ploy.
The turc in his commonality began as a maurading murderer & thief. Throughout the hundreds of years before they proclaimed to be muslim, that, and that alone was their history.
This is what the turc is founded upon and how they got EVERY square inch of land they call their country.
-------------- by murder & theft -------------
Nothing to do with frenzied sofas. Nothing at all.
Everything to do with frenzied turc & murder ------� MURDER -----------
No racism there.
A statement of fact.
Artashes

You are a moron - but most racists are. A statement of fact.

Artashes, steaming with rage in his Alaska wilderness and with not a Turk in sight to hate close-up. How lucky there is the internet around to release his puny anger. He'd probably explode without it.

[Haykakan]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Hey Bell Arty is not alone in his anger-pretty much all Armenians have an axe to grind against the Turk and rightfully so. I hate racism and i know there are good and bad people in all races, sects, colors..but hate towards the Turk by an Armenian is hardly the worst offence one can be accused of..Leave Arty alone.