Vive La France !!!!!

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

It's not aimed at stopping turc diplomats spouting their xxxxe, they will choke on their words one day.
This law is aimed at stopping the turc immigrant or french-turc citizen from continuing the Genocide BY IT'S DENIAL. Trivialising it by claiming it is aimed at a 2nd term for Sarkozy merely echoes turc ranting.

And you want the border open ????????????
Go to Georgia and play spot the Georgian business amongst the turcs.................................opening the border would just allow turcs to enter the rest of Armenia.

So this is aimed at the retards who know nothing about the Armenian genocide? How does that improve anything for the Armenian nation? I see everyone celebrating like we have won a victory or something but no one has been able to tell me what we have won. The Turkish state will continue its denial, Turks will keep denying it, so what is it that we have won? Can you tell me?

Yes you are right lets choke our own economy, let us allow our own country to become poorer and poorer. While not living there it is really easy to say lets leave the borders closed but the reality is that the closed border is choking our economy. There is a reason that every political party wants the border opened.

[hrai]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Let us say that Turkey recognises the Armenian genocide tomorrow, what will change? Will they give us land? Or open the border?
Everything will stay the same. Maybe the people that are still alive from 1915 will get some money but that is it. No one will ever force Turkey to give up an inch of land. If you want that land then you need to fight for it. No one has ever given up land without shedding blood for it. Will it change something for Armenia in the long run? No Turkey will still be anti-Armenian and do everything to help Azerbaijan.

It is time for Armenians to see that getting Turkey to recognise the genocide will change nothing. Should we continue to get countries to recognise the genocide? Yes we should, however we should also start working on getting those same countries to start getting warm to the idea of recognising Artsakh.

This law is retarded because it doesn't do anything to help the Armenian cause at all, the only thing it does is help Sarkozy to get a second term. It makes a couple of retards to shut their mouths. It can not stop Turkish officials from denying the genocide because they have immunity when they are visiting France. So I wonder what is it that we have won here?

It's not aimed at stopping turc diplomats spouting their xxxxe, they will choke on their words one day.
This law is aimed at stopping the turc immigrant or french-turc citizen from continuing the Genocide BY IT'S DENIAL. Trivialising it by claiming it is aimed at a 2nd term for Sarkozy merely echoes turc ranting.

And you want the border open ????????????
Go to Georgia and play spot the Georgian business amongst the turcs.................................opening the border would just allow turcs to enter the rest of Armenia.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Let us say that Turkey recognises the Armenian genocide tomorrow, what will change? Will they give us land? Or open the border?
Everything will stay the same. Maybe the people that are still alive from 1915 will get some money but that is it. No one will ever force Turkey to give up an inch of land. If you want that land then you need to fight for it. No one has ever given up land without shedding blood for it. Will it change something for Armenia in the long run? No Turkey will still be anti-Armenian and do everything to help Azerbaijan.

It is time for Armenians to see that getting Turkey to recognise the genocide will change nothing. Should we continue to get countries to recognise the genocide? Yes we should, however we should also start working on getting those same countries to start getting warm to the idea of recognising Artsakh.

This law is retarded because it doesn't do anything to help the Armenian cause at all, the only thing it does is help Sarkozy to get a second term. It makes a couple of retards to shut their mouths. It can not stop Turkish officials from denying the genocide because they have immunity when they are visiting France. So I wonder what is it that we have won here?

[Eddo211]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

and as long certain key countries do not officially recognise the AG then Turkey will always have the leverage in the West.

[Eddo211]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Can’t you understand that IF LEFT ALONE Turkey will never admit any responsibility, FOREVER.
On the contrary it will fight in every way it can, fair or foul, as its been doing thus far.
The debate will never end.

Why ?

Because it thinks ( it is confident) it can win this because it is stronger, has more resources, is more experienced, can apply more political influence.
Also the status quo is in its favour.

Turkey must be listening with joy to those “blind” free speech advocates, it is cherry on the cake as far as its resources are concerned.

This law breaks that vicious cycle.
Negates the advantage the strong has when the weak is seeking justice.

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Quoted for truth:

and this exactly what turks are doing guys (and every turk online it seems) and it is working for them very well.......looking at it from my angle.

[Sip]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Can’t you understand that IF LEFT ALONE Turkey will never admit any responsibility, FOREVER
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Of course I understand this. What makes you think I don't? And where did I say leave Turkey alone? lol. Are you having some imaginary argument in your head against me?

[londontsi]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Once again you misunderstood. The "topic" that should be put to rest is debate over genocide. THERE IS NO DEBATE. It is DONE. It has been done for a loooong time. No one is saying forget Genocide or put the "Genocide topic" to rest.

Can’t you understand that IF LEFT ALONE Turkey will never admit any responsibility, FOREVER.
On the contrary it will fight in every way it can, fair or foul, as its been doing thus far.
The debate will never end.

Why ?

Because it thinks ( it is confident) it can win this because it is stronger, has more resources, is more experienced, can apply more political influence.
Also the status quo is in its favour.

Turkey must be listening with joy to those “blind” free speech advocates, it is cherry on the cake as far as its resources are concerned.

This law breaks that vicious cycle.
Negates the advantage the strong has when the weak is seeking justice.

.

[Sip]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Put the topic to rest ???
Without justice ?

Once again you misunderstood. The "topic" that should be put to rest is debate over genocide. THERE IS NO DEBATE. It is DONE. It has been done for a loooong time. No one is saying forget Genocide or put the "Genocide topic" to rest.

[hrai]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Do you want to pass laws against those who still think God made the Earth 5000 years ago or that those that think the Earth is flat? Of course not. At some point you stop bickering and arguing topics that have been beat to death. How many countries have to pass resolutions and affirmations and how many academics have to go on the record until a topic is put to rest? If you criminalize the opposing view, you are doing more of an injustice to the truth and that implies the facts alone aren't enough.

In this case, there is NO debate. The debate has been settled for a very very long time. Of course the Turks will deny it (who is really surprised by that?). The question is what now. What do we want? I don't see any specific proposals other than Turkey has to admit blah blah ... well who cares if they admit? The question is given the undisputed truth, what next?

Londontsi, Sip appears to trivialise the AG and puts it in a category of topics which could include : "What did you do last summer?". Surely that's not right?

[londontsi]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Do you want to pass laws against those who still think God made the Earth 5000 years ago or that those that think the Earth is flat?

Huge difference between FAITH and FACTS.

How many countries have to pass resolutions and affirmations and how many academics have to go on the record until a topic is put to rest?

Put the topic to rest ???
Without justice ?

The debate has been settled for a very very long time.

No it has not.
Obviously for you it has.