Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

[Azad]

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Joos have a very long and deep history in Georgia.

"Tskhinvali gradually developed into a commercial town with a mixed xxxish, Georgian, Armenian and Ossetian population. In the 1910s, its censused population was 5,033 with 42.3% j ews, 33% Georgians, 13.4% Armenians and 11% Ossetians."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tskhinvali

[RSNATION]

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http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=149836&bolum=103

The article is obvious crap, especially now considering recent events. Seems like the author wrote this weeks ago and Zaman is posting this now in order to make the Turks feel better. BTC and BTK will soon be finished.

[yerazhishda]

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Russia 'bombs Georgian airport' - Russians continue to move south, seek control of Tblisi
source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7552012.stm

Russian jets have bombed a military airfield close to the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, a Georgian official said.

Alexander Lomaia, of Georgia's national security council, said the attack was designed to "damage the runway".

Tbilisi said Russia had brought 6,000 troops into Georgia by land and 4,000 by sea in preparation for a dawn raid.

Earlier, Russian PM Vladimir Putin accused Georgia of genocide against the South Ossetian people, as fighting in the breakaway region intensified.

He said Georgia was seeking "bloody adventures" and defended Moscow's military action to intervene directly.

Georgia's President Mikhail Saakashvili has called for an immediate ceasefire to stop what he described as an "annihilation" of his country's democracy.

In the absence of independent verification, there are conflicting figures about the casualties suffered on both sides but the numbers appeared to rise sharply on Saturday.

Based on Russian and South Ossetian estimates, the death toll on the South Ossetian side was at least 1,400. According to Moscow, all but a few of the dead were civilians.

Georgian casualty figures sustained during the three days of fighting ranged from 82 dead, including 37 civilians, to a figure of around 130 dead.

[yerazhishda]

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http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/de...9836&bolum=103

The article is obvious crap, especially now considering recent events. Seems like the author wrote this weeks ago and Zaman is posting this now in order to make the Turks feel better. BTC and BTK will soon be finished.

Turkey, Georgia (Russia), and Azeristan can go f'uck themselves. Russia is on our side, biitches!

[Merv]

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Putin accuses Georgia of genocide
source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7552012.stm

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has accused Georgia of genocide against the South Ossetian people, as fighting in the breakaway region intensified.

He said Georgia was seeking "bloody adventures" and defended Moscow's military action to intervene directly.

Diplomatic efforts are being stepped up to try to halt what Tbilisi has called an "annihilation" of its democracy.

Georgia's President Mikhail Saakashvili earlier called for an immediate ceasefire to stop "this madness".

In the absence of independent verification, there are conflicting figures about the casualties suffered on both sides but the numbers appeared to rise sharply on Saturday.

Based on Russian and South Ossetian estimates, the death toll on the South Ossetian side was at least 1,400. According to Moscow, all but a few of the dead were civilians.

Georgian casualty figures sustained during the three days of fighting ranged from 82 dead, including 37 civilians, to a figure of around 130 dead.

'A fatal blow'

Mr Putin flew to the Russian city of Vladikavkaz, close to the border with South Ossetia, where he met those who had fled the violence.

Mr Putin said Georgia was committing "complete genocide".

He said the territorial integrity of Georgia had "suffered a fatal blow", suggesting that it was unlikely that South Ossetia would re-integrate with the rest of Georgia after the conflict.

He said the conflict had created at least 34,000 refugees.

This figure wildly conflicts with that cited by the UN refugee agency, which it says is based on information supplied by both sides.

The UN estimates that about 2,400 people have fled South Ossetia to other parts of Georgia while between 4,000 and 5,000 have crossed the border into Russia.

Redrawing the map

As the bloodshed continues, a joint delegation of the US, EU and the Organisation of Security and Co-operation in Europe is heading to Georgia in the hope of brokering a truce.

It comes as a third emergency session of the UN Security Council ended without an agreement on the wording of a statement calling for a ceasefire.

But emissaries from the US and Europe who are Nato members may not be seen as honest brokers by the Kremlin when it comes to Georgia, BBC's diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall says.

The danger now is that Russia will not only use this crisis to demonstrate its military power in the region, but argue it is time to redraw the map, she adds.

Moscow has said there can be no "consultations" with Georgia unless Georgian forces withdraw to the positions they held outside South Ossetia before Thursday.

Meanwhile Russian jets have bombed several towns, including the central Georgian city of Gori, where Georgian troops had been massing to support forces engaged in South Ossetia.

Georgian TV has also shown pictures of damage to the Black Sea port of Poti, the site of a major oil shipment facility, after a reported Russian air strike.

President Saakashvili told the BBC on Saturday that Moscow wanted to take control of energy routes to Europe and accused it of "war crimes" against civilians.

His parliament has approved a presidential decree declaring that the country is in a state of war for 15 days.

I smell a tribunal. The Russians have learnt well from their American counterparts in the ways of propaganda. Except in this case what Georgia has done, while perhaps not genocide, goes beyond a lot of what the NATO/US "rogue" countries were accused of. I can very easily envision Saakashvili sitting in a court in Tbilisi or Tskhinvali (Russian controlled, of course) and getting a life sentence for these atrocities. The Russians have certainly come a long way, they are so much more sophisticated in how they do things than 30 years ago.

On an unrelated issue, anyone notice there were further Muslim bombings in China? Anyone think there's a Western connection there, as well? (pretty obvious in this case)

[Yedtarts]

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Israel backs Georgia in Caspian Oil Pipeline Battle with Russia

Georgian tanks and infantry, aided by Israeli military advisers, captured the capital of breakaway South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, early Friday, Aug. 8, bringing the Georgian-Russian conflict over the province to a military climax.

Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin threatened a “military response.”

Former Soviet Georgia called up its military reserves after Russian warplanes bombed its new positions in the renegade province.

In Moscow’s first response to the fall of Tskhinvali, president Dimitry Medvedev ordered the Russian army to prepare for a national emergency after calling the UN Security Council into emergency session early Friday.

Reinforcements were rushed to the Russian “peacekeeping force” present in the region to support the separatists.

Georgian tanks entered the capital after heavy overnight heavy aerial strikes, in which dozens of people were killed.

Lado Gurgenidze, Georgia's prime minister, said on Friday that Georgia will continue its military operation in South Ossetia until a "durable peace" is reached. "As soon as a durable peace takes hold we need to move forward with dialogue and peaceful negotiations."

DEBKAfile’s geopolitical experts note that on the surface level, the Russians are backing the separatists of S. Ossetia and neighboring Abkhazia as payback for the strengthening of American influence in tiny Georgia and its 4.5 million inhabitants. However, more immediately, the conflict has been sparked by the race for control over the pipelines carrying oil and gas out of the Caspian region.

The Russians may just bear with the pro-US Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili’s ambition to bring his country into NATO. But they draw a heavy line against his plans and those of Western oil companies, including Israeli firms, to route the oil routes from Azerbaijan and the gas lines from Turkmenistan, which transit Georgia, through Turkey instead of hooking them up to Russian pipelines.

Saakashvili need only back away from this plan for Moscow to ditch the two provinces’ revolt against Tbilisi. As long as he sticks to his guns, South Ossetia and Abkhazia will wage separatist wars.

DEBKAfile discloses Israel’s interest in the conflict from its exclusive military sources:

Jerusalem owns a strong interest in Caspian oil and gas pipelines reach the Turkish terminal port of Ceyhan, rather than the Russian network. Intense negotiations are afoot between Israel Turkey, Georgia, Turkmenistan and Azarbaijan for pipelines to reach Turkey and thence to Israel’s oil terminal at Ashkelon and on to its Red Sea port of Eilat. From there, supertankers can carry the gas and oil to the Far East through the Indian Ocean.

Aware of Moscow’s sensitivity on the oil question, Israel offered Russia a stake in the project but was rejected.

Last year, the Georgian president commissioned from private Israeli security firms several hundred military advisers, estimated at up to 1,000, to train the Georgian armed forces in commando, air, sea, armored and artillery combat tactics. They also offer instruction on military intelligence and security for the central regime. Tbilisi also purchased weapons, intelligence and electronic warfare systems from Israel.

These advisers were undoubtedly deeply involved in the Georgian army’s preparations to conquer the South Ossetian capital Friday.

In recent weeks, Moscow has repeatedly demanded that Jerusalem halt its military assistance to Georgia, finally threatening a crisis in bilateral relations. Israel responded by saying that the only assistance rendered Tbilisi was “defensive.”

This has not gone down well in the Kremlin. Therefore, as the military crisis intensifies in South Ossetia, Moscow may be expected to punish Israel for its intervention.

http://debka.com/article.php?aid=1358

[Illuminator]

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Russia 'bombs Georgian airport' - Russians continue to move south, seek control of Tblisi

Love to see that happen

[Armanen]

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And the other western outlets near Russia have begun barking. Where were they when kosovo was being ripped away from Serbia? They sure as hell weren't talking about kosovo being an inseparable part of Serbia like they are with SO.

http://www.silobreaker.com/DocumentReader.aspx?Item=5_889391361

http://news.trendaz.com/index.shtml?show=news&newsid=1266530&lang=EN

[Armanen]

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Some good news for Armenia.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/International_Business/Azerbaijan_halts_oil_exports/articleshow/3347118.cms

And more zog double-talk

http://www.ttc.org/200808092039.m79kdav04739.htm

[Armanen]

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What was said between bushy and Putin, do you know?