America's Financial Crisis

[jgk3]

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I can hardly blame him because everyone I grew up with believed in the same crap, including me. We're all ingrained with this sense that fighting and war are taboos, whilst our leaders actively engage in genocide overseas. At the same time, we're taught by our media and our war veterans in commemorative events that it's honorable and patriotic to serve the army. We're taught that our armies of democracy are allowed to go punish regimes in 3rd world countries, but when they so much as lift a pistol in the air to fight back, they are terrorists or insane trigger happy warmongers.

Oh, and we have the freedom of speech, so long as what we say is of no significant consequence to the aforementioned political status quo.

It's just inconsistencies the whole way through. It's painful, but it's relieving when you can finally say "I grew out of it".

[Muhaha]

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But what's amazing here is the total free ride the Western ruling elite get for their crimes that historically speaking far outweigh what the Nazis did. And we know the reason why. It's because idiots like Muhaha here are told by the western establishment that its being done in the name of "democracy"...

Oops! Sorry, Muhaha.

Calm down man, what's your problem? When have I defended the current foreign policy positions of the United States?

Have I posted defending ANYTHING that's going on right now?

All I have done is complained about Russian influence in Armenia and their Authoritarian ways and have stated that if Armenia HAS to be under such major influence, I'd rather have it be the West because I sincerely believe the Armenian people would be freer that way than they would under Russian influence/control/rule.

How does that make me an idiot? You do the exact same thing you claim to be mad at the West for. The U.S goes around the world telling everybody our way is the best way, you call this evil and expansionist. However, Anybody that contradicts what you have to say must be an idiot and is simply not thinking enough.

[Armenian]

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Well, the same could be said about the international consensus on the holocaust and the way it benefits Israel and modern xxxry. The same could be said about how blaming everything on Nazi Germany scares Europeans from nationalism and implicitly forces them to go along with the extremely loose immigration laws and multiculturalism that has all but destroyed the sense that they are natives on their own soil.

This is a very powerful and insightful statement, jgk3. Bravo.

Rudolph Hess's story illustrates well what I have been saying about Germany wanting to make peace with the western powers:

Rudolf Hess - Casualty of Conscience (disregard the brain dead skinhead themes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80EVd...eature=related

Calm down man, what's your problem? When have I defended the current foreign policy positions of the United States?

I said sorry, Muhaha. It won't happen again. Thanks to jgk3 advice, I am going to practice being nice to people who disagree with me from now on. I will try practicing on you because everything you seem to write has the potential of pissing me off.

[Anonymouse]

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Yes, I apply it to everything.



Nazi Germany inflicted more than 30+ Million deaths. You're going to have to tell me what the United States has done to top that.



I haven't even heard about this "Global Fight Against Corruption". If there is one, I agree it needs to be fought over here a little bit.




Who,Where,How.



What do you call Human Rights Watch constantly updating on GITMO. What do you call the ACLU constantly fighting against the PATRIOT ACT. Apart from these organizations, Freedom of the Press is there for a reason. Are you going to tell me Alex Jones,Michael Moore, and Keith Olbermann are somehow defending the government and not covering irregularities?




I agree, and most people know this which is why Cable isn't the only place people get their news. There are countless medians,countless investigators, and countless sources to get your news. That's the beauty of the First Amendment.



You're right about this,Keith Olbermann is the only one in that's in the mainstream I've seen come close to investigating government corruption, and that's all going to change because he makes no attempt to hide the fact he's in the tank for Obama.

But again, I'd like to say, I doubt there are a whole lot of people whose only source of information is "Mainstream News". Cable news and major publications are not the only news and is not representative of what people are aware of. If anything, Mainstream News is just the background off of which we compare and contrast other stories.





If you have gathered up enough evidence and are absolutely convinced the official account is a fabrication, then please contact the proper authorities. Democracy means "Government by the people, for the people", which means the people have to do some work and correct the mistakes of the Government and authorities in charge. It seems as though you have.



I agree, it needs to be looked into. Although I stop short at saying the government actively pushed for something like that to happen, there are a lot of reasons to believe the Bush Administration let it happen. That's just as bad and I'm the last person on Earth to defend the guys currently occupying office.



Exactly, you're not the first person to notice there's something fishy. I agree completely that not enough is being done about these criminals.



I had heard about billions missing, not trillions. It doesn't matter, that money is all taxes and needs to be accounted for. This is another thing not too many are covering and I'm not going to defend it.






I'd also like to thank you for your criticism, one of the only ways to make progress is to listen to and reflect on critique,criticism, and judgment.




How was I condescending? I've used nothing but plain English in all my posts, whether it's with you or others. I've never used slang, I've never used four letter words.

I am to guess you support the Obama administration and you believe that he will rejuvenate the economy.

[Muhaha]

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I am to guess you support the Obama administration and you believe that he will rejuvenate the economy.

No...what did I say that made you think that? I'd like to Consider myself pretty Capitalist/Free-Market. Obama is definitely not.

Here is what I think the Government should spend money on:
-Defense of the people. This includes the Military,Police,Firefighters, etc.
-Projects that are too secretive to let Corporations and other private entities to handle. Something like NASA should stay government operated.
-Health for those who are under 18,over 65, or have nothing to do with the illness. For example, we shouldn't let people out on the street just because they were born with something like M.S.

There could be other things but this is basically it.


To get back to the idea of rejuvenating the economy. I seriously don't believe anything can be done about it at this stage, trying to save it will only make it worse. Riding it out seems to be the best option. Though I'm not an economist, nor do I spend a lot of time reading up on the economy.

[Armenian]

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No...what did I say that made you think that? I'd like to Consider myself pretty Capitalist/Free-Market. Obama is definitely not.

The following comment of your was by far the most idiotic reply you have made here. Just look at your rhetoric here.

..."I hope the Sargsyan Administration can do something to secure it's ties and support of the West, especially with a new Administration coming in, the West is an open book,"...

Because of Obama the West is an open book? Sargsyan should do something to secure its ties with the West? Like what resign and put in power a western sponsored whores like Levon Petrosian? What the hell are you talking about

And Armenia's secret to breaking its dependence on Russia is an Armenian Bill Gates?

A tiny, landlocked, impoverished, resourceless and blockaded nation surrounded by enemies is able to survive on its own?

Americans are more educated than Russians?

Russians live in a prison?

The West supports Azerbaijan because Armenia has not been able to explain its position better

The US doesn't care about the Caucasus?

Moscow would have settle on being an economic partner with a country that has no economy to speak of?

You're one funny guy

1. Armenian, your main mistake is that you seem to have accepted the idea that Armenia is alone and can't survive by itself. This may be true in the very short term,1-5 years, but any more than that is simply not smart.

Armenia has no major industry that supplies the world, correct. This can all change with a little investment into the scientists and intellectuals of Armenia. I don't believe it would be too hard for Armenian's to invent something that the entire world finds useful, creating a name for itself, boosting it's economy by huge numbers, and weakening the need for foreign influence. As history has shown, people like Bill Gates didn't need billions in funds to revolutionize the world and all it would take would be 'cafe money' to realize the potential of Armenia's intelligence.

It's time the people of the ROA started treating Armenia like the actual country that it is and not just some kind of strip of land, such as Palestine.

2. Concerning 'outposts. I'd rather Armenia be an outpost for the West than for Russia, my reasons are simple:

- Say what you want about the United States, with all the corporations, special interest controlled media, lobby controlled politicians, and mostly clueless citizens, it is a better and more free society than the Russian Federation is. I assume you're someone whose spent most of his time in the U.S, would you be the same person you are today if you hadn't? Don't you feel you have access to a lot more education, free information, and personal thought than you would in Russia? Would the Alex Jones equivalent of Russia be allowed to stay on air as long as he has? Would the Ron Paul of Russia, brutally criticizing his government, even be allowed to live?

- The only reason the West seems to favor the likes of Azerbaijan is simply because the Sargsyan government does a horrible job of refuting the absolute B.S Alyev and his gang put out there. As the August war has shown, the U.S doesn't care about the Caucus' enough to risk war with Russia so all Armenia has to do is a little lobbying and the Artsakh issue could easily be in it's favor. Caspian oil isn't as important as Cheney wants it to be.

3. So in conclusion, as far as the long run is concerned, I am strongly against Moscow becoming anything more than an economic partner for Armenia and I hope the Sargsyan Administration can do something to secure it's ties and support of the West, especially with a new Administration coming in, the West is an open book, meanwhile securing Armenia's independence and livelihood.

[Anonymouse]

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No...what did I say that made you think that? I'd like to Consider myself pretty Capitalist/Free-Market. Obama is definitely not.

Here is what I think the Government should spend money on:
-Defense of the people. This includes the Military,Police,Firefighters, etc.
-Projects that are too secretive to let Corporations and other private entities to handle. Something like NASA should stay government operated.
-Health for those who are under 18,over 65, or have nothing to do with the illness. For example, we shouldn't let people out on the street just because they were born with something like M.S.

Yes but how do you propose the government should provide for "health care"? That is socialism, plain and simple. The government is broke. There's no two ways about it. Obama cannot do anything except put this country in more debt, which he will do. He will also expand American's imperialism abroad per his corporate and Zionist masters, and he will expand the power of the executive domestically. It's a false hope.

To get back to the idea of rejuvenating the economy. I seriously don't believe anything can be done about it at this stage, trying to save it will only make it worse. Riding it out seems to be the best option. Though I'm not an economist, nor do I spend a lot of time reading up on the economy.

Agreed. The more the government interferes and tries to prop up the economy the more its interference and intervention in the marketplace will hamper recovery and create more unintended consequences. Unfortunately, the government has not learned this from the era of the Great Depression and the same mistakes will recur under the Obama administration. All empires end in debt and military and political exhaustion.

[SoyElTurco]

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not as an insult to muhaha, i think armenian shouldnt waste his time addressing him.

muhaha said he doesnt read anything about economics yet offers an opinion about the economy without any foundation. you coud be right in your opinion, but its dangerous and useless because its derived from a lack of methodology and diligence - its pure ignorance, which is the problem we have with democracy.

Democracies are fated to collapse because they empower the masses - deomocracies are only as good as the total sum of quality of the masses. If the masses become asses (like americans), then its just a matter of time before the system falls apart. The failure of every world system that has existed has been not being able to in continually, consistently and permamently selecting high quality management leadership. Every nation possesses this resource of devout intellectuals that wish for the best welfare of their nation, but it's a tragedy that these resources become cyclically marginalized throughout history at the caprice of obdurate, stubborn, selfish, greedy leaders.

every system has its trade offs. are some better than others - perhaps marginally. it might come down to quesiton of preference.

lets come up with a new system.

[jgk3]

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lets come up with a new system.

What about an old one? We can fix its historical flaws and abuses if we have a model of its past performance in the real world.

[SoyElTurco]

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What about an old one? We can fix its historical flaws and abuses if we have a model of its past performance in the real world.

or remake the old anew.