Muslims occupy Europe

[Eddo211]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Kind of like an unhallowed faith in government? There is no difference. "Islam cannot be destroyed" because it is an idea. Ideas are not destroyed because they are intangible. It's akin to declaring war on "terror" which is a tactic.

Islam has alot of rigid and narrow teachings, and even more rigid and conservative followers. While Christianity let go of its hang ups, Islam has not undergone any such revitalization of its civilization in terms of its thought - which is still heavily steeped in ancient Islamic teachings and mysticism.

However, it also remains a fact of life ("ground facts" as you call it) that Islam has been the least bloodiest of the Abrahamic religions - with Christianity taking a huge slice of the chunk.

What you call "militant Islam" is in part due to Western creations. Thus, if you care not to expand "militant Islam" then....

Agreed, "War on Terror" is a tactic but you must know that Muslims themselves acknowledge "Militant Islam" or "Radical Islam" (Wahabies) and they talk about it all the time openly, they do not deny it as a fact. Many Muslims try not to associate themselves with this extreme wing of Islam and Iranian Shiites consider them enemy but it is there and they are the loudest voice of Islam.

perhaps you also favor supporting Western man's hegemonic influence across the rest of the world

By default maybe…..Ideology, no.

[Eddo211]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

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Eddo-the similarities between the Armenian situation and the xxxs are there but so are there similarities between our situation and the palastinians. You have to remember that the xxxs were not living on their own lands and although they did lose their properties they did not lose their homeland during their genocide but the armenians and palastinians did lose much of theirs. To be completly honest the xxxs are more like the palastinians then us because they are both semitic people but that doesnt really matter much anyways. The bottom line is that palastinians, xxxs and armenians are all human beings and non of them should should be subjected to such horrible situations regardless of their race or religion. Today it is the palastinians who are being subjected to the most degrading and inhumane circumstances and the right thing to do would be to tell them we understand what you are going through and will help anyway we can.

The reality of the situation is that not even their Arab brothers care for the Palestinian plight and they use them as cannon fodder against Israel, which is even worst.
Also Pals are very pro Turkish especially now with Erdogan in power. They actually believe that Turkey will save them compared to their dysfunctional Arab brethren. They all would love nothing more but to kill every Israeli and they show their blind hate openly and at every chance they get. I sympathize with their situation but I do not support them or the Israelis for that matter. In fact I am very critical of Israeli policies.

If you do not offer support to your fellow man during his time of need then what right do you have to complain that you had no support when it was your time of need? For those who want to point out how the whole world stood by while we armenians were being killed just ask yourselves what is it eaxactly that you are now doing for the palastinians?

Haykakan, buddy, it would be better for you to understand this and drill it in permanently that nobody gives a crap about you, me, and what will happen to Armenians except us. If you even think that someone will come to our hour of need just to be good humans then you are in for a big surprise. If you are going to do a good deed you cannot expect others to return the favor, which is a fallacy, you do it for yourself more than anything else.

[hrai]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Hrai maybe one day you will understand that nothing justifies racism and that it is anything but a normal human trait. Those exposed to it are effected by it like the xxxs who saw their own genocide and now justify doing the same to the palastinians who had nothing to do with the xxxish genocide. The same thing can be said about many of the Armenians who would like nothing better then to see all turks die a horrible death. There are many ways to justify the evile men do to one another but it takes a real man to stand up for what is right especialy when most others are preaching what is wrong.
Eddo-the similarities between the Armenian situation and the xxxs are there but so are there similarities between our situation and the palastinians. You have to remember that the xxxs were not living on their own lands and although they did lose their properties they did not lose their homeland during their genocide but the armenians and palastinians did lose much of theirs. To be completly honest the xxxs are more like the palastinians then us because they are both semitic people but that doesnt really matter much anyways. The bottom line is that palastinians, xxxs and armenians are all human beings and non of them should should be subjected to such horrible situations regardless of their race or religion. Today it is the palastinians who are being subjected to the most degrading and inhumane circumstances and the right thing to do would be to tell them we understand what you are going through and will help anyway we can. If you do not offer support to your fellow man during his time of need then what right do you have to complain that you had no support when it was your time of need? For those who want to point out how the whole world stood by while we armenians were being killed just ask yourselves what is it eaxactly that you are now doing for the palastinians?

Haykakan,
maybe one day you'll see and experience the world as it really is.
Instead of considering similarities between us and palestinians, look at differences: World terrorism? Large and rich support? The oppressor nation under real threat from neighbours. Centuries of oppression, rape and murder not a few decades.
I channel my sympathy, empathy, succour and support both moral and financial, to where it means most to me..........if I could afford more support I would simply channel more support to home. arabs for arabs, apples for apples, hay for hay.

[hrai]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Hrai

Europe did what it could to help the Palestinians and it will never get any thanks for the billions in humanitarian and development aid that it gave to Palestine. The Gulf Arabs have 3 trillion in sovereign wealth funds. Let them do something to help there own people for once.

Retro, precisely. The oil rich arabs need to deal with this and no-one else.
They should be ashamed that the biggest champion of palestinians is the enlightened (untouched by western values) islamic republic of women-stoners.
The arab nations, I'm convinced, would wish nothing more than the disappearance of the palestinians

[hrai]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Kind of like an unhallowed faith in government? There is no difference. "Islam cannot be destroyed" because it is an idea. Ideas are not destroyed because they are intangible. It's akin to declaring war on "terror" which is a tactic.

Islam has alot of rigid and narrow teachings, and even more rigid and conservative followers. While Christianity let go of its hang ups, Islam has not undergone any such revitalization of its civilization in terms of its thought - which is still heavily steeped in ancient Islamic teachings and mysticism.

However, it also remains a fact of life ("ground facts" as you call it) that Islam has been the least bloodiest of the Abrahamic religions - with Christianity taking a huge slice of the chunk.

What you call "militant Islam" is in part due to Western creations. Thus, if you care not to expand "militant Islam" then perhaps you also favor supporting Western man's hegemonic influence across the rest of the world.

islam as a religion is still mired in it's formative years. A cruel and barbarous religion as were Yoodism & Christianity, how blood thirsty was the God of the Old Testament?
From it's inception, islam was and remains a militant religion, one of conquest, by force of arms or immigration/assimilation/forced conversions/kidnap etc.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Islam cannot be destroyed.
Peaceful Islam is welcomed.......militant Islam is not. What you say about governments might be true but it does not change the ground facts.

People who really want to believe in something they stop thinking rationally.

Kind of like an unhallowed faith in government? There is no difference. "Islam cannot be destroyed" because it is an idea. Ideas are not destroyed because they are intangible. It's akin to declaring war on "terror" which is a tactic.

Islam has alot of rigid and narrow teachings, and even more rigid and conservative followers. While Christianity let go of its hang ups, Islam has not undergone any such revitalization of its civilization in terms of its thought - which is still heavily steeped in ancient Islamic teachings and mysticism.

However, it also remains a fact of life ("ground facts" as you call it) that Islam has been the least bloodiest of the Abrahamic religions - with Christianity taking a huge slice of the chunk.

What you call "militant Islam" is in part due to Western creations. Thus, if you care not to expand "militant Islam" then perhaps you also favor supporting Western man's hegemonic influence across the rest of the world.

[Haykakan]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Hrai maybe one day you will understand that nothing justifies racism and that it is anything but a normal human trait. Those exposed to it are effected by it like the xxxs who saw their own genocide and now justify doing the same to the palastinians who had nothing to do with the xxxish genocide. The same thing can be said about many of the Armenians who would like nothing better then to see all turks die a horrible death. There are many ways to justify the evile men do to one another but it takes a real man to stand up for what is right especialy when most others are preaching what is wrong.
Eddo-the similarities between the Armenian situation and the xxxs are there but so are there similarities between our situation and the palastinians. You have to remember that the xxxs were not living on their own lands and although they did lose their properties they did not lose their homeland during their genocide but the armenians and palastinians did lose much of theirs. To be completly honest the xxxs are more like the palastinians then us because they are both semitic people but that doesnt really matter much anyways. The bottom line is that palastinians, xxxs and armenians are all human beings and non of them should should be subjected to such horrible situations regardless of their race or religion. Today it is the palastinians who are being subjected to the most degrading and inhumane circumstances and the right thing to do would be to tell them we understand what you are going through and will help anyway we can. If you do not offer support to your fellow man during his time of need then what right do you have to complain that you had no support when it was your time of need? For those who want to point out how the whole world stood by while we armenians were being killed just ask yourselves what is it eaxactly that you are now doing for the palastinians?

[retro]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Hrai

Europe did what it could to help the Palestinians and it will never get any thanks for the billions in humanitarian and development aid that it gave to Palestine. The Gulf Arabs have 3 trillion in sovereign wealth funds. Let them do something to help there own people for once.

[Eddo211]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Definetly there are similarities!......

You are right there are similarities........but most people consider us and the Juice more similar.

Both are ancient people who cling on to their roots, culture, and language. They both marry with their own and both have a large Diaspora who are worried sick about assimilation. Both are low in population as the result of many massacres, a Genocide, and are now they are a new Democracy, not to mention they both live on a small portion of their ancient land with the help of a “big brother” while surrounded by mortal enemies and in danger of getting stampede (sort of speak).

[hrai]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Definetly there are similarities! You would have to be blind not to see them. Discrimination based on race and religion, forced displacement, inequality under the law, a state policy of making life intolorable for one race and giving the other power over it, making excuses for soldiers and civilians who murdered palastinians and armenians, humiliating and dehumanizing based on race, taxation without representation nor the benefits derived from it... i can go on forever but i think i made my point. If you are going to turn a blind eye to the palastinians and their suffering then you are no better then the kurds or the turcks who did the same thing when the armenians were suffering. Being a muslim, chrystian, xxx does not make one into a lesser human but one could argue that being a racist or a religious zealott does. Human suffering is exactly that HUMAN suffering, regardless of race and religion, those who see this differently are simply hypocrits

You seem to go on forever, to quote yourself, but as regards proving your point, you may have convinced yourself but not me.have the palestinians been genocided? NO. Are the Palestinians surrounded by friendly states and co-nationals(arabs) and co-religionists? YES.
I certainly do not turn a blind eye to the plight of the palestinians but at the same time I don't turn a tear-filled eye in their direction.
perhaps if their cause was worthy of sympathy, support and succour their brother arab nations would provide them with better conditions where they are camped.
To try to relate my eye view to palestinians and your vile claim that it makes me no better than a turc/kurd hardly justifies a response. IF I lived in Israel perhaps the analogy could be used, as I don't live in Greater Zion I cannot make any difference to yood/palestinian situation.
As regards racism, it's a human trait, humans are a tribal animal and will always show greater loyalty towards their groups, we arrange ourselves from and have first loyalty to our district, then our city, then our region, then our country.
Racism is a basic human instinct for survival. Survival of ones one clan/tribe/nation.Even in 21st century we still need our basic groups, yes even this forum, our football team, our nation. To believe otherwise is a university campus dream.
Someone who behaved in a racist manner whilst denying being a racist could be described as a hypocrit, those who disagree with your point of view simply disagree, no hypocrisy.