Muslims occupy Europe

[gegev]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Maybe Mouseopolis isn't such a dank and dark place after all

Given the realities it isn't.

[Anonymouse]

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If the only matter you object is the word “Crusade” you can replace it with “Moon-sade” (Islam-sake) wars; for the Islamic attacks against non-Muslims to convert them into Islam. But the word doesn’t change the historical facts.

Christian religion doesn’t call for forced conversion of non-Christians, as opposed to the Islamic concept of Dar al-harb - The House of War doctrine; presented in the post above, I made.

And there is big difference between Moon-sade and Crusade wars, you know, because Crusades didn’t attack Muslim countries to conquer and convert them into Christianity, as opposed to Moon-sades, but rather to free the Christian lands they already occupied and partially converted their population into Islam.

Reflecting your myopia, you have chosen to appeal to your ignorance and ignore contrary points and evade the point I made. Congratulations on being an igeological toad.

[KanadaHye]

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I have heard there are a lot of brainy people over there.....

7 out of 8 ain't bad....

[Eddo211]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Maybe Mouseopolis isn't such a dank and dark place after all

I have heard there are a lot of brainy people over there.....

[arakeretzig]

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You would think there's more important issues to talk about than muslims in europe. This topic has been beaten to death countless times. It seems it still has some life in it, who knew?

[hrai]

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I can't believe we have a whole thread dedicated to the tolerant and sophisticated discussion of Muslim issues in the current political climate. I never knew it was possible.

Here I thought I was clicking on a thread with a bunch of ill-informed insecurities about Muslims in America propogated by the Neo-conservative party line and Fox News, but after reading posts by Eddo and gegev I definitely came to the conclusion that they are definitely interested in well-informed and balanced discussions, not the cold-hearted partisan divisiveness that is dependent on casting aside all contrary evidence to reinforce a much dependent prism of thought.

Any notion that they are engaged in fostering a shock value and trying to sweep under the carpet any difference of opinion or information contrary to their paradigm, do not be concerned, for they are truly free thinkers and the bastions of enlightenment. Why, gegev is even kind enough to use different font colors.

Maybe Mouseopolis isn't such a dank and dark place after all

[KanadaHye]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

There is a Turkish TV show that depicts the state of the world by 2023 showing how Israel will continue to dominate the region and the world using Islam and terrorism as a tool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRDFWo9NiCY

Well Armenia is quit biger but with out Artsax and Javack? Come on if we made it to Van and Black sea we surely will liberate those 2

Guess time will tell

[jgk3]

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If the only matter you object is the word “Crusade” you can replace it with “Moon-sade” (Islam-sake) wars; for the Islamic attacks against non-Muslims to convert them into Islam. But the word doesn’t change the historical facts.

Christian religion doesn’t call for forced conversion of non-Christians, as opposed to the Islamic concept of Dar al-harb - The House of War doctrine; presented in the post above, I made.

And there is big difference between Moon-sade and Crusade wars, you know, because Crusades didn’t attack Muslim countries to conquer and convert them into Christianity, as opposed to Moon-sades, but rather to free the Christian lands they already occupied and partially converted their population into Islam.

Perhaps because Islam at least comes out as realistic, rather than hypocritical, regarding human nature in matters of religious expansionism. My respects to Muhammad.

[gegev]

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Crusades? That's a funny way of verbally warping history.

By that logic, Christianity's "crusade" began with Constantine's conversion when he issued the Edict of Milan in 313 and the resulting effect of the forced conversion of anyone in his domain.

Like I said, Islam is not the only Abrahamic religion to spread via force. All of them have for the most part, with Christianity taking a larger slice of the monopoly of violence.

Yet you conveniently ignore that, don't you?

I am to guess you believe even Armenians' conversion to Christianity after Gregory the Illuminator had his visions was conducted over a picnic.

If the only matter you object is the word “Crusade” you can replace it with “Moon-sade” (Islam-sake) wars; for the Islamic attacks against non-Muslims to convert them into Islam. But the word doesn’t change the historical facts.

Christian religion doesn’t call for forced conversion of non-Christians, as opposed to the Islamic concept of Dar al-harb - The House of War doctrine; presented in the post above, I made.

And there is big difference between Moon-sade and Crusade wars, you know, because Crusades didn’t attack Muslim countries to conquer and convert them into Christianity, as opposed to Moon-sades, but rather to free the Christian lands they already occupied and partially converted their population into Islam.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

History lessons.

http://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/muslim-crusades-started-four-centuries-before-the-western-crusades/

MUSLIM CRUSADES Started Four Centuries Before the Western Crusades

Posted by FactReal on February 12, 2010
Islamics Launched their Crusades in 630 A.D.
Western Crusades started in 1095 A.D. to Stop Muslim Invasion
The Crusades were started by the Muslims in the year 630 A.D. when Muhammad invaded and conquered Mecca. Later on, Muslims invaded Syria, Iraq, Jerusalem, Iran, Egypt, Africa, Spain, Italy, France, etc. The Western Crusades started around 1095 to try to stop the Islamic aggressive invasions. Islamic Crusades continued even after the Western Crusades.

ISLAMIC CRUSADES
630 – Muhammad conquers Mecca from his base in Medina.
632 – Muhammad dies in Medina. Islam controls the Hijaz.
636 – Muslims conquest of Syria, and the surrounding lands, all Christian – including Palestine and Iraq.
637 – Muslim Crusaders conquer Iraq (some date it in 635 or 636)
638 – Muslim Crusaders conquer and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines.
638 – 650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Iran, except along Caspian Sea.
639 – 642 Muslim Crusaders conquer Egypt.
641 – Muslim Crusaders control Syria and Palestine.
643 – 707 Muslim Crusaders conquer North Africa.
644 – 650 Muslim Crusaders conquer Cyprus, Tripoli in North Africa, and establish Islamic rule in Iran, Afghanistan, and Sind.
673 – 678 Arabs besiege Constantinople, capital of Byzantine Empire
691 – Dome of the Rock is completed in Jerusalem, only six decades after Muhammad’s death.
710 – 713 Muslim Crusaders conquer the lower Indus Valley.
711 – 713 Muslim Crusaders conquer Spain and impose the kingdom of Andalus. The Muslim conquest moves into Europe.
718 – Conquest of Spain complete.
732 – Muslim invasion of France is stopped at the Battle of Poitiers / Battle of Tours. The Franks, under their leader
Charles Martel (the grandfather of Charlemagne), defeat the Muslims and turn them back out of France.
762 – Foundation of Baghdad
785 – Foundation of the Great Mosque of Cordova
789 – Rise of Idrisid amirs (Muslim Crusaders) in Morocco; Christoforos, a Muslim who converted to Christianity, is executed.
800 – Autonomous Aghlabid dynasty (Muslim Crusaders) in Tunisia
807 – Caliph Harun al—Rashid orders the destruction of non-Muslim prayer houses &
of the church of Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem
809 – Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sardinia, Italy
813 – Christians in Palestine are attacked; many flee the country
831 – Muslim Crusaders capture Palermo, Italy; raids in Southern Italy
837 – 901 Aghlabids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Sicily, raid Corsica, Italy, France
869 – 883 Revolt of black slaves in Iraq
909 – Rise of the Fatimid Caliphate in Tunisia; these Muslim Crusaders occupy Sicily, Sardinia
928 – 969 Byzantine military revival, they retake old territories, such as Cyprus (964) and Tarsus (969)
937 – The Church of the Resurrection (aka Church of Holy Sepulcher) is burned down by Muslims;
more churches in Jerusalem are attacked
960 – Conversion of Qarakhanid Turks to Islam
969 – Fatimids (Muslim Crusaders) conquer Egypt and found Cairo
973 – Israel and southern Syria are again conquered by the Fatimids
1003 – First persecutions by al—Hakim; the Church of St. Mark in Fustat, Egypt, is destroyed
1009 – Destruction of the Church of the Resurrection by al—Hakim (see 937)
1012 – Beginning of al—Hakim’s oppressive decrees against xxxs and Christians
1050 – Creation of Almoravid (Muslim Crusaders) movement in Mauretania; Almoravids (aka Murabitun)
are coalition of western Saharan Berbers; followers of Islam, focusing on the Quran, the hadith, and Maliki law.
1071 – Battle of Manzikert, Seljuk Turks (Muslim Crusaders) defeat Byzantines and occupy much of Anatolia
1071 – Turks (Muslim Crusaders) invade Palestine
1073 – Conquest of Jerusalem by Turks (Muslim Crusaders)
1075 – Seljuks (Muslim Crusaders) capture Nicea (Iznik) and make it their capital in Anatolia
1076 – Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) conquer western Ghana
1086 – Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) (see 1050) send help to Andalus, Battle of Zallaca
1090 – 1091 Almoravids (Muslim Crusaders) occupy all of Andalus except Saragossa and Balearic Islands

START OF WESTERN CRUSADES
Only after all of the Islamic aggressive invasions is when Western Christendom launches its first Crusades.
1094 – Byzantine emperor Alexius Comnenus I asks western Christendom for help
against Seljuk (Muslim Turks) invasions of his territory
1095 – Pope Urban II preaches first Crusade; they capture Jerusalem in 1099

WHY ISLAMIC CONQUESTS?
Islamic scholarship divides the world in two:
1) The House of Islam (dar al-Islam): Nations submitted to Islamic rule.
2) The House of War (dar al-harb): Nations that have not submitted to Islam but must be submitted according to Islamic doctrine. Thus, Muslims (dar al-Islam) believe they must make war upon non-Muslims (dar al-harb) until all nations submit to the will of Allah and accept Sharia law.

Islam’s message: Submit or Be Conquered.

Crusades? That's a funny way of verbally warping history.

By that logic, Christianity's "crusade" began with Constantine's conversion when he issued the Edict of Milan in 313 and the resulting effect of the forced conversion of anyone in his domain.

Like I said, Islam is not the only Abrahamic religion to spread via force. All of them have for the most part, with Christianity taking a larger slice of the monopoly of violence.

Yet you conveniently ignore that, don't you?

I am to guess you believe even Armenians' conversion to Christianity after Gregory the Illuminator had his visions was conducted over a picnic.