Trouble in Kyrgyzstan

[KanadaHye]

Re: Trouble in Kyrgyzstan

I think you misunderstand the true concept of religion which is to strive to be free of rule.

Anyone who knows anything about religion will tell you that religion imposes rule not strives to free one from it. I honestly dought your understanding of religion because what you say here is completly false. Religion has been effectively used to do the exact opposit of what you proclaim since its inception.

It's a double edged sword. Remember that before Armenians were violently removed from the lands of their ancestors (much like many indigenous people in history) they owned their own land, businesses and controlled their own destiny. Even under Ottoman rule we were financially better off than most of us that were forced to relocate after the fall of the Empire. These were due to outside influences and powers. Imagine if we were never forced to leave our lands, we would have inherited everything from our ancestors instead of being relocated to foreign lands and taxed under western systems of government. If it weren't for our beliefs which we are free to express and exercise in western democratic countries, would we even have a dream to one day return to a "freed" Armenia? This is the power that religion can bring to an individual when exercised from within. The way you perceive it however, is that it can also be used to control a population if imposed on from a ruling body (in a perverted sense). The church is nothing more than a place of assembly where in a sense should be used to discuss the goals and the future of our people. Freedom of assembly is also a western democratic ideal. So why not use the tools we are given instead of knocking them down due to claiming that corruption exists within these institutions?

[Haykakan]

Re: Trouble in Kyrgyzstan

[QUOTE=KanadaHye;295754]I think you misunderstand the true concept of religion which is to strive to be free of rule.

Anyone who knows anything about religion will tell you that religion imposes rule not strives to free one from it. I honestly dought your understanding of religion because what you say here is completly false. Religion has been effectively used to do the exact opposit of what you proclaim since its inception.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Trouble in Kyrgyzstan

Russia orders gas cut to Belarus
Some speculate move is punishment for sheltering deposed Kyrgyz president


Russia cut supplies of natural gas to Belarus on Monday over an alleged debt of nearly $200 million US for gas already provided.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev met early Monday with Alexei Miller, the chief of Gazprom, the state-controlled gas monopoly. In televised remarks, Medvedev ordered Miller to implement the cuts "to protect the interests of the Russian state."

Miller said the company would gradually cut gas supplies by 85 per cent.

The remainding supply of gas would serve to maintain the pipeline that is also used to carry Russian gas supplies to other parts of Europe.

The action came after warnings from Russia last week to its former Soviet neighbour to start paying off the debt. Belarus has challenged the Russian claim and refused to pay.

Russia has said that European customers won't be affected since the company can channel gas supplies normally going through Belarus to another pipeline across Ukraine.

As well, gas consumption in summer is low compared with its peak in the winter and the pipelines aren't filled to capacity.

Russia has cut gas supplies to both Ukraine and Belarus several times in recent years because of payment disputes, and many European consumers have suffered amid freezing winter temperatures.

Some observers said Moscow's real agenda is to punish Belarus President Alexander Lukashenko for offering asylum to Kyrgyzstan's toppled President Kurmanbek Bakiyev.

Kyrgyzstan's new rulers have accused Bakiyev of instigating ethnic violence that has killed up to 2,000 ethnic Uzbeks in southern Kyrgyzstan and forced another 400,000 to flee for their lives.

Bakiyev has denied playing any role in the unrest from his refuge in Belarus.

http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2010/0...upply-cut.html

[KanadaHye]

Re: Trouble in Kyrgyzstan

Well i know what happened and i know a bunch of people also interested in the matter..You are generalizing and that is bad...based on what your opinion?

Based on Armenians that I know or have met. Notice I said most, and not all.

[UrMistake]

Re: Trouble in Kyrgyzstan

Pretty simple, most Armenians just know they hate Turks but they don't know any history nor do they care to investigate what happened in WW1. Turks weren't the only ones who screwed us so why do most Armenians only blame them?

Well i know what happened and i know a bunch of people also interested in the matter..You are generalizing and that is bad...based on what your opinion?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Trouble in Kyrgyzstan

How the hell KanadaHye u managed to compare them with armenian-turkish relations wtf dude~~!!!

Pretty simple, most Armenians just know they hate Turks but they don't know any history nor do they care to investigate what happened in WW1. Turks weren't the only ones who screwed us so why do most Armenians only blame them?

[UrMistake]

Re: Trouble in Kyrgyzstan

How the hell KanadaHye u managed to compare them with armenian-turkish relations wtf dude~~!!!

[Haykakan]

Re: Trouble in Kyrgyzstan

It's the same thing depending on which side of the fence you're on.

The Uzbeks are blaming the Kyrgyzs, the Kyrgyzs are blaming the Uzbeks yet neither of them sits there and looks at the bigger picture as to why they are in this mess.

Reminds me of Turks and Armenians.

Thats because its a lot easier to say " its all because of those dam muslims or chrytians or..." then to look at things rationaly.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Trouble in Kyrgyzstan

Religion is a way cheaper tool for controling the masses then technology. Technology can be used for or against a cause while religion creates a atmosphere of us vs them and prevents the flow and sharing of information, this is a big difference.

It's the same thing depending on which side of the fence you're on.

The Uzbeks are blaming the Kyrgyzs, the Kyrgyzs are blaming the Uzbeks yet neither of them sits there and looks at the bigger picture as to why they are in this mess.

Reminds me of Turks and Armenians.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Trouble in Kyrgyzstan

Religion and religious rule is as far from anarchy as you could possibly ever be. Even judaism which advocates narcissm can hardly be confused with anarchy.

I think you misunderstand the true concept of religion which is to strive to be free of rule. In geopolitics, they call this independence but we know there is no such thing because we are all interconnected.