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  • #21
    Re: Ukraine

    At the end of the day, whether everything that is happening in Ukraine is justifiable or not, Ukraine joining the Customs Union is in the overall interest of the Republic of Armenia because it strengthens it and that is what all Armenians should be striving for since we are officially joining the CU.
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    • #22
      Re: Ukraine

      Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
      No Mher you are not reading the situation at all correctly which is kind of surprising from you since you have shown some balance before and it was you who posted the obvious USA incitement of the rebels who were armed and encouraged by USA and still are. This is not a be and let be situation-this is the encirclement of Russia by NATO. NATO is a tool of USA hegemony and it will be used along with others to destroy anyone standing in the way of new world order. The big fish to fry for these aholes are Russia and China in that order. The competition you see for post soviet space is about much more then the medium to small states being fought over-this is one of those cases where the whole picture only emerges when you put all the little ones together. Russia is fighting for her life and nothing less.
      I definitely do agree with the latter, about the intention to surround Russia, but I still think a majority of the country wants this with or without any outside encouragement. We'll see how things develop. Right now though they're not looking good. Looks like neither side is deciding to let it be.
      <<եթե զենք էլ չլինի' ես քարերով կկրվեմ>>

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      • #23
        Re: Ukraine

        Originally posted by Federate View Post
        At the end of the day, whether everything that is happening in Ukraine is justifiable or not, Ukraine joining the Customs Union is in the overall interest of the Republic of Armenia because it strengthens it and that is what all Armenians should be striving for since we are officially joining the CU.
        So for all of Armenia's poodling to Russia, it has ended up in an even weaker position than before. Armenia has given the EU the finger and got a useless customs union with Russia in return, one which even Russia will no longer care about because Russia only wanted Armenia in to get Ukraine on board too. Armenia needs to discard the Customs Union asap, get back to negotiations with the EU beforre it is too late, and also keep an eye on what is happening in the Crimea - and if border changes happen, be ready to make potentual comparisons with NK.
        Last edited by bell-the-cat; 03-01-2014, 11:22 AM.
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        • #24
          Re: Ukraine

          Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
          [...] because Russia only wanted Armenia in to get Ukraine on board too...
          Why should Armania's membership in the CU help to get Ukraine on board? How did you come to this conclusion? I don't see any real causal link.

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          • #25
            Re: Ukraine

            Originally posted by Federate View Post
            At the end of the day, whether everything that is happening in Ukraine is justifiable or not, Ukraine joining the Customs Union is in the overall interest of the Republic of Armenia because it strengthens it and that is what all Armenians should be striving for since we are officially joining the CU.
            Yes, well said.....since we are on the CU train.

            EU is not lost to Armenia unlike some say.....we always play both sides sooner or later somehow somewhere with timing.
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            • #26
              Re: Ukraine

              Bell is obsessed with post soviet border changes..like the stinkin west needed a reason to reshape the borders in Serbia? Wtf are you yapping about bell? We already used Serbia as precedent and guess what the west told us to f off anyways so wth are you talking about? New borders or not we still need Russia to defend against the big brother turk u seem to forget about..Precedent means nothing wo real power.
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              • #27
                Re: Ukraine

                March 1, First Deputy Prime Minister of the Crimean autonomous region, Ruslan Timirgaliev has made a number of important statements. According to him Crimea is under control of self-defense forces and the Ukrainian military on the peninsula has partly defected to the Crimeans. Another part of the Ukrainian units are blocked, and has already handed over their weapon. According to Timirgalieva everything is done to keep the peace and prevent inter-ethnic conflicts.

                http://lifenews.ru/static/posts/2014/3/128192/video.mp4
                Last edited by HermanGerman; 03-01-2014, 05:47 PM.

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                • #28
                  Re: Ukraine

                  Originally posted by HermanGerman View Post
                  Why should Armania's membership in the CU help to get Ukraine on board? How did you come to this conclusion? I don't see any real causal link.
                  Didn;t you read any of the reports on it at the time - just about every commentator on the treaty mentioned this causal link?

                  It is the same reason that America was so anxious to have Armenian soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq - their military importance there is zero - their propaganda value from being there is substantial because it allowed a cover to the lie that it was not all by America for America, but America as part of some willing "coalition". The Customs Union was a Russian-initiated project undertaken for Russia's strateigic benefit.
                  Last edited by bell-the-cat; 03-02-2014, 07:12 AM.
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                  • #29
                    Re: Ukraine

                    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                    Bell is obsessed with post soviet border changes..like the stinkin west needed a reason to reshape the borders in Serbia? Wtf are you yapping about bell? We already used Serbia as precedent and guess what the west told us to f off anyways so wth are you talking about? New borders or not we still need Russia to defend against the big brother turk u seem to forget about..Precedent means nothing wo real power.
                    During the early Soviet perion, Crimea was "given" to Ukraine in exactly the same way as Nagorno Karabagh was "given" to Azerbaijan. In both cases the actual populations living in the transferred areas had no part in the decision. If you can't see the parallels, and can't see that the reversal of the transfer of the Crimea to Ukraine will have a direct significance for the reversal of the transfer of NK to Azerbaijan, you must be blind.

                    Russia is of such importance that Ukraine and the world will have to recognise the transfer (which will probalby come via a referendum and then a short period of independence), and so this will nullfy any arguments that NK is still a de-jure part of Azerbaijan and that borders drawn up during the Soviet period are not alterable.
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                    • #30
                      Re: Ukraine

                      Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
                      In the same way that America was so anxious to have Armenian soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan and Iraq - their military importance there is zero - their propaganda value from being there is substantial because it allowed a cover to the lie that it was not all by America for America, but America as part of some willing "coalition".
                      @bell, you are right regarding the US and their so called "coalition of the willing" in the case of the Iraq war violating international law, but the circumstances here are different. I think that Armenia is not important as "proapganda value" because of more then one factor alone. Belarus and Kazakhastan's membership is a much higher propaganda value regarding Ukraine then little unimportant Armenia. A much more important factor is the unique security problem of Armenia. Almost everybody, even the most retarded citizen of Ukraine, should know that Armenia is totally dependent on Russia for security. This aspect alone would devaluate any "propagada value" because Armenia's security problem makes it look weak and open for blackmail. It is absolutely not clear what impact the security question had on Armenia's decision to join the CU and therefore I think that you are wrong in this special case. ....Sorry for my Englih, I am not a native English speaker.

                      Edit: You edited your comment as I was replying to the initial version.
                      Unfortunately I have not read the reports on the topic at the time.
                      Last edited by HermanGerman; 03-02-2014, 07:52 AM.

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