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  • Federate
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    Israeli getting ready to attack Iran?

    18.04.2009 14:54 GMT+04:00

    /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The Israeli military is preparing itself to launch a massive aerial assault on Iran's nuclear facilities within days of being given the go-ahead by its new government.
    Among the steps taken to ready Israeli forces for what would be a risky raid requiring pinpoint aerial strikes are the acquisition of three Airborne Warning and Control (AWAC) aircraft and regional missions to simulate the attack.
    Two nationwide civil defense drills will help to prepare the public for the retaliation that Israel could face.
    “Israel wants to know that if its forces were given the green light they could strike at Iran in a matter of days, even hours. They are making preparations on every level for this eventuality. The message to Iran is that the threat is not just words,” one senior defense official said

    Officials believe that Israel could be required to hit more than a dozen targets, including moving convoys. The sites include Natanz, where thousands of centrifuges produce enriched uranium; Esfahan, where 250 tonnes of gas is stored in tunnels; and Arak, where a heavy water reactor produces plutonium.
    The distance from Israel to at least one of the sites is more than 870 miles, a distance that the Israeli force practised covering in a training exercise last year that involved F15 and F16 jets, helicopters and refueling tankers.

    The possible Israeli strike on Iran has drawn comparisons to its attack on the Osirak nuclear facility near Baghdad in 1981. That strike, which destroyed the facility in under 100 seconds, was completed without Israeli losses and checked Iraqi ambitions for a nuclear weapons program.
    “We would not make the threat [against Iran] without the force to back it. There has been a recent move, a number of on-the-ground preparations, that indicate Israel's willingness to act,” said another official from Israel's intelligence community.

    He added that it was unlikely that Israel would carry out the attack without receiving at least tacit approval from America, which has struck a more reconciliatory tone in dealing with Iran under its new administration.
    An Israeli attack on Iran would entail flying over Jordanian and Iraqi airspace, where US forces have a strong presence.
    Ephraim Kam, the deputy director of the Institute for National Security Studies, said it was unlikely that the Americans would approve an attack.
    “The American defense establishment is unsure that the operation will be successful. And the results of the operation would only delay Iran's program by two to four years,” he said.

    A visit by President Obama to Israel in June is expected to coincide with the national elections in Iran - timing that would allow the US Administration to re-evaluate diplomatic resolutions with Iran before hearing the Israeli position.
    “Many of the leaks or statements made by Israeli leaders and military commanders are meant for deterrence. The message is that if [the international community] is unable to solve the problem they need to take into account that we will solve it our way,” Mr Kam said.
    Among recent preparations by the airforce was the Israeli attack of a weapons convoy in Sudan bound for militants in the Gaza Strip.

    “Sudan was practice for the Israeli forces on a long-range attack,” Ronen Bergman, the author of The Secret War with Iran, said. “They wanted to see how they handled the transfer of information, hitting a moving target ... In that sense it was a rehearsal.”
    Israel has made public its intention to hold the largest-ever nationwide drill next month.
    Colonel Hilik Sofer told Haaretz, a daily Israeli newspaper, that the drill would “train for a reality in which during war missiles can fall on any part of the country without warning ... We want the citizens to understand that war can happen tomorrow morning”.

    Israel will conduct an exercise with US forces to test the ability of Arrow, its US-funded missile defense system. The exercise would test whether the system could intercept missiles launched at Israel.
    “Israel has made it clear that it will not tolerate the threat of a nuclear Iran. According to Israeli Intelligence they will have the bomb within two years ... Once they have a bomb it will be too late, and Israel will have no choice to strike - with or without America,” an official from the Israeli Defense Ministry said, The Times reported.

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  • SoyElTurco
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    a proven missile system developed over the course of decades to be suddenly outdone by nascent drone technology developed over the course of the last few years?

    i don't think the doubts stirred by this newbie drone in regard to the s300's reputation and capabilities are warranted.

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  • jgk3
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    I see, thanks for the explanation.

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  • Eddo211
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    Originally posted by jgk3 View Post
    So what does this mean for Iran as a customer for the S-300? If the claims of the superiority of these Israeli made weapons is true, how should Iran respond? How are they responding exactly?

    I agree with ZORAVAR

    I would also like to say that for Israel to use these drones as a sole attack platform as a pre-empt for destruction of Iran’s nuclear powerplants that are spread across the vast country with some protected well under ground would not be successful and will not end to their advantage considering how Iran could easily retaliate by using Hezbollah and Hamas against Israel. Iran already has purchased advance missile defense batteries (Designed specifically for US warship capable of sinking it with a single shot) from Russia protecting the Persian Gulf. These things are on wheels and can be hidden from detection easily. In the close quarters of the Gulf there would not be enough time to intersept these oncoming Russian rockets that do not fly straight to the target, rather skim the surface and fly an irratic pattern.
    The chances of US attacking Iran no longer exists, even when Bush was in power his attempts to strike Iran was shut down by US officials. Israel is on its own in that regards. Iran’s ability to make a nuclear bomb is a joke as well; even if they had the bomb it would be a suicide to Nuke Jerusalem, however it can be politically devastating for the Western powers if Iran went Nuclear.

    Sheers

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  • jgk3
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    Thanks Zoravar, I'll take your advice on that.

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  • ZORAVAR
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    Originally posted by jgk3 View Post
    I was wondering what you guys would think of this press release from Debka. Debka is an Israeli military intelligence site and though this drone weapon of theirs should be recognized, perhaps their claims should be taken with a grain of salf? What do you think Zoravar?
    Debka??????......anything they say should be taken with a container load of salt!!!!

    Dear jgk3, to maintain the credibility of this forum, please do not quote anything from debka. Even Israelis admit that it is full of sensationalist BS news.

    As for any weapons system annouced/displayed/advertised by Israel or any other country....it is all marketing, I do not take claims and infobrochures at face value. More commonly, on the battlefield, weapons don't perform as advertised.

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  • Haykakan
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    USA and Isreal started the latest round of the weapons race by destroying the treaties with Russia. Unless another weapons treaty is signed i am afraid we are headed into a whole new kind of war that would make the terminator look like a joke.

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  • jgk3
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    So what does this mean for Iran as a customer for the S-300? If the claims of the superiority of these Israeli made weapons is true, how should Iran respond? How are they responding exactly?

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  • Eddo211
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    Originally posted by jgk3 View Post
    I was wondering what you guys would think of this press release from Debka. Debka is an Israeli military intelligence site and though this drone weapon of theirs should be recognized, perhaps their claims should be taken with a grain of salf? What do you think Zoravar?

    (btw, I couldn't find a picture of the harop loiter drone, but its predecessor, the harpy. Let me know if you find the harop's image.)

    New Israel killer drone can take out Iran's S-300 anti-air missile



    The Israeli air industries first unveiled its new Harop "loiter drone" for taking out ground-to-air missiles at the annual Aero-India 2009 air show which closed recently at Bangalore.

    The Iranian media were first to disclose that this sophisticated Israeli drone is capable of targeting the Russian radar-equipped S-300 anti-air missile before it enters attack mode .

    DEBKAfile's military sources report that while Iran has contracted to buy from Russia five S-300 batteries worth $800 m to defend its nuclear sites against potential aerial attack, India and Turkey are interested in Israel's Harop killer-drone. Our sources report that the Tehran media made much of the new Israeli drone as a means of pushing Moscow to set the new batteries' delivery dates which the Russian suppliers have so far withheld.

    The Harop is an upgraded version of the Harpy with more advanced features for taking out radar installations and anti-air missile installations. It can travel 1,000 km to patrol an assigned area and loiter there until a hostile target is exposed. Its 23-kilo warhead then strikes the target before it is activated in attack mode.

    The Russian S-300 missile purchased by Tehran is one such target. It is classified in the West as a "game-changer" designed to rule out air attacks on its nuclear sites. This missile system is capable of engaging up to 100 targets at once, tracking targets with a mobile radar station which is immune to jamming.

    The Harop is an expendable unmanned aerial vehicle which can sustain a mission of several hours over an assigned area. Operated by electro-optical sensors, Harop can detect weapons systems in inert mode, weapons on the move and radar installations switched off to avoid detection.

    Our military experts maintain that once it penetrates Iranian airspace, this drone can silence surface-to-air batteries and open the skies to aerial and missile attack.

    http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5929

    This is the latest and the greatest of IDF. No info that I can find on Harop Drone.

    Israel’s Air Force received the Heron (Mahatz in Hebrew) unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) from Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) Thursday. The UAV is called the Shoval by the IAF and expands Israel’s capabilities greatly.

    The Heron has a 50-foot wingspan, can fly at an altitude of up to 30,000 feet and carries a 550-pound payload. It can fly up to 30 hours without refueling and can be operated completely remotely. The large UAV can identify the launch sites of missiles as well as deliver air-to-surface missiles itself, eliminating targets as far away as Iran….

    Israel has developed the capabilities to engage in both air and land combat via remote control as far away as Iran.



    Pictures.
    The latest which was received last Thursday is the Heron II.




    BTW, India and Turkey are high paying costumers on these drones.


    The next generation of IDF’s Unmanned Arial Vehicles are the Eitan, the force's largest UAV, and Efroni – the smallest.

    Picture and article

    Next generation of drones revealed by IDF includes Eitan, largest UAV to be used by air force, and Efroni – the smallest

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  • jgk3
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    I was wondering what you guys would think of this press release from Debka. Debka is an Israeli military intelligence site and though this drone weapon of theirs should be recognized, perhaps their claims should be taken with a grain of salf? What do you think Zoravar?

    (btw, I couldn't find a picture of the harop loiter drone, but its predecessor, the harpy. Let me know if you find the harop's image.)

    New Israel killer drone can take out Iran's S-300 anti-air missile



    The Israeli air industries first unveiled its new Harop "loiter drone" for taking out ground-to-air missiles at the annual Aero-India 2009 air show which closed recently at Bangalore.

    The Iranian media were first to disclose that this sophisticated Israeli drone is capable of targeting the Russian radar-equipped S-300 anti-air missile before it enters attack mode .

    DEBKAfile's military sources report that while Iran has contracted to buy from Russia five S-300 batteries worth $800 m to defend its nuclear sites against potential aerial attack, India and Turkey are interested in Israel's Harop killer-drone. Our sources report that the Tehran media made much of the new Israeli drone as a means of pushing Moscow to set the new batteries' delivery dates which the Russian suppliers have so far withheld.

    The Harop is an upgraded version of the Harpy with more advanced features for taking out radar installations and anti-air missile installations. It can travel 1,000 km to patrol an assigned area and loiter there until a hostile target is exposed. Its 23-kilo warhead then strikes the target before it is activated in attack mode.

    The Russian S-300 missile purchased by Tehran is one such target. It is classified in the West as a "game-changer" designed to rule out air attacks on its nuclear sites. This missile system is capable of engaging up to 100 targets at once, tracking targets with a mobile radar station which is immune to jamming.

    The Harop is an expendable unmanned aerial vehicle which can sustain a mission of several hours over an assigned area. Operated by electro-optical sensors, Harop can detect weapons systems in inert mode, weapons on the move and radar installations switched off to avoid detection.

    Our military experts maintain that once it penetrates Iranian airspace, this drone can silence surface-to-air batteries and open the skies to aerial and missile attack.

    Last edited by jgk3; 02-25-2009, 10:31 AM.

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