Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Virgil, you attack and humiliate yourself everytime you decide to press "enter".

Recent polls of Armenians, interested in politics, conclude that 46% of them trust their President, while only 27% trust their government. The latter figure improves towards the capital. Half of the Armenians polled stated no interest in politics - that's probably because they are too busy trying to survive; of the remaining, 26% stated they had no idea what the national policy of the country was.http://www.azg.am/EN/2008013003

[Virgil]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Some speech whether or not anonymous is indefensible. For example, hate speech and defamation.

I hate to have to agree with Sip, but its been silly for sometime now.

Ok, so, if any opinion can be grouped under “free speech” and there exists no social reprisal for comments then, by all means, I dare you and Sip to stand up in a public locale and state that "Washington was a traitor" and that “all the soldiers that have died since the foundation of the United States were dupes following charlatans”? Go inside a post office where blue blooded Americans migrate to on a daily basis and slander their leaders, I bet you, each and every American citizen will be offended by comments attacking their leaders and nation. Furthermore, why is it that Armenians feel it is in their right to critique everything Armenian, but can not muster any capacity inside of themselves to just shut the xxxx up for once and accept the status quo? Why must there exist radical and liberal change? I understand slow progression in various spheres and disciplines, but every “Ara Baliozian” feels that they are some how “doing the right thing” by continually dissecting the Armenian people and analyzing their flaws, when in fact, they are only insulting and degrading Armenians, in the great scheme of things, they are destroying unity and common values that bring us together.

What divine or supernatural authority has given these idiots the right to take collective knowledge and try to mold it in their image? What right do they have to mold Armenians? Who are they? As far as I can tell, Ara is on welfare in Canada, which begs the question, what has he done for the Canadian people, let alone, the Armenian people? If he spends his time disecting Armenians, why does he not spend his time disecting Canadians, whoam for the last 200 years have destroyed the lives of the many Native-Americans living in Canada? If Ara is such a "critical thinker" let him solve the problems of Inuit before the Armenains, and, furthermore, he has absolutely no right to comment on Armenians because he has not lifted one finger or sacrificed one limb for the Armenian people and nation. If you are using freedom of speech for Ara Baliozian, likewise, I can use freedom of speech against this lunatic, and, in closing, if you are going to insult Armenians with ridiculous “one liners” like “thee great erudite”, then you should not be surprised if people responded negatively. I will attack and humiliate you if this kind of slander does not stop, I am just grossly disgusted by it, at every corner, I hear and talk to individuals that spend more time commenting on the flaws of the Armenian people versus spending time rebuilding a nation. If Ara had spent the last remaining years of his life doing something positive for the Armenian people, he would have gained more crediblity instead of spending the twilight of his life behind a computer, spreading rubbish and illogic in the name of "change", xxxxing ridiculous.

I am sick of turning on my television or picking up a Armenian newspaper to find these idiots pointing at imaginary pink elephants. The reality is this, the percent of idoicy in the Armenian community compared to the idoicy of other races, ethnicities, and religions is, more or less, the same. The question then becomes how much slander by these demagogues can be tolerated? I, for one, am sick and tired of Ara to Stephan to any "Jack Kevorkian" with radical and liberal opinions. If they are not content with being Armenian and upholding ancient traditions and values, then, again, by all means, assimilate out and move on with your life. If you can not stand accepting both the positive and negatives of your people, then you do not belong there. It is getting to a point where I just want to censor these idiots, but again, Lucin is right, that would only work for these demagogues. I guess, bottomline, if you say something along the lines of Ara, it will offend me, and since I am offended, I have the right as a human being to stop you from offending me and my values.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

ADL = Armenian Democratic Liberal party?http://adl.hayway.org/default_zone/gb/html/page-93.html

No, thanks, I tend to stay out of organized Armenian politics, its so messy.

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Some speech whether or not anonymous is indefensible. For example, hate speech and defamation.

You sound like you're from the ADL with all these references to "hate speech". Are you sure you're not Abe Foxman?

I hate to have to agree with Sip, but its been silly for sometime now.

Especially since you got involved.

BTW, why do you hate to agree with Sip (not that I blame you - just curious).

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

A nationalist without a county is like a hoof without a horse.

In simplest forms: Ottoman Armenians who took arms against Ottoman Turkey, at its demise, did so for likely one of three reasons:

1. They had to because they either died at the hands of the invading forces or their own country's henchmen (survival).

2. They had to protect themselves and their property against their own country's henchmen (survival).

3. They were revolting against the Ottoman government.

In the end, regardless of category, they were freedom fighters not nationalists.

What Armenian nation existed in 1915? You don't understand the difference between nationality and ethnicity.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Some speech whether or not anonymous is indefensible. For example, hate speech and defamation.

I hate to have to agree with Sip, but its been silly for sometime now.

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Come on now .. is this silliness really reduced to trying to argue whether Armenian et. al. want to "silence" Mr. Baliozian or not? Of course "silencing" him has been the goal all along!

Now back to the real point ... Ara Baliozian obviously has the right to say whatever the heck he wants. The question is, do others have the right to criticize and call him all sorts of names? I would say why not? It is after all a typical anonymous internet forum setting so why not?

It comes with the territory of being in a public forum. If criticism and name calling is not desired, then perhaps a private blog is a more suitable setting for "writing".

This is not to say I agree or disagree with what Ara Baliozian posts ... I am just staying he should have the right to say whatever he wants, especially since he typically creates a single thread and continues to add to it (i.e doesn't randomly spam the entire forum). If his words are really that outrageous, let the reader decide. Worst case, one ALWAYS has the choice of ignoring "Baliozian" threads.

Enter Sip - the king of all that is milque toast and mediocre; bringing down (yet again) an otherwise lively thread with charges of "silliness".

Come on now

[Sip]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Come on now .. is this silliness really reduced to trying to argue whether Armenian et. al. want to "silence" Mr. Baliozian or not? Of course "silencing" him has been the goal all along!

Now back to the real point ... Ara Baliozian obviously has the right to say whatever the heck he wants. The question is, do others have the right to criticize and call him all sorts of names? I would say why not? It is after all a typical anonymous internet forum setting so why not?

It comes with the territory of being in a public forum. If criticism and name calling is not desired, then perhaps a private blog is a more suitable setting for "writing".

This is not to say I agree or disagree with what Ara Baliozian posts ... I am just staying he should have the right to say whatever he wants, especially since he typically creates a single thread and continues to add to it (i.e doesn't randomly spam the entire forum). If his words are really that outrageous, let the reader decide. Worst case, one ALWAYS has the choice of ignoring "Baliozian" threads.

[Armenian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

You may have not demanded silence but your disparagements of him seek that result.

There you go creating your own realities again. You are delusional.

All you - and by that I mean, specifically, Armenian, Crusader1492 and Virgil, have demonstrated in railing against Mr. Baliozian is that you have no respect for the old and lack common decency.

Nice sound bite. You tell me what why should I respect someone just because he/she is old? Respect is something you earn not grow into. I rather "respect" and honor young individuals like Crusader, Karo, Lucin or Skhara - than an old self-hating, ignorant, egomaniac like Ara. Got that freaky? People should earn respect, not demand or expect respect.

In a nutshell, which is appropriate for you nutters, you are barap galeers. Dadark danz.

If you want to act like a street punk and be vulgar then at least attempt to properly spell and pronounce the words you are using. The terms should be: Պարապ Կլիր (parap klir) and Դատարկ Տանձ (Datark Tandz)

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

You may have not demanded silence but your disparagements of him seek that result.

All you - and by that I mean, specifically, Armenian, Crusader1492 and Virgil, have demonstrated in railing against Mr. Baliozian is that you have no respect for the old...

It is Ara who does not have respect for the old...look at how he treats the 4000 year old Armenian Nation.

In a nutshell, which is appropriate for you nutters, you are barap galeers. Dadark danz.

...an you talk haughtily of disparagement? You're not too bright.