Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

[Siamanto]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

First of all, I will limit my reply to a small subset of your post, as for the most part it is
1. Irrelevant to the point that I am making
2. Confused, amalgamated, inarticulate
I don't want to dilute the discussion with what is of little relevance. I understand that the you may consider your obsession with certain individuals or realities as relevant; unfortunately, I don't.

To make it clear, my point is:
1- There is no evidence that individuals like Dr. Junkenstein - aka Armenian - and his clones are more useful to the future Armenian Nation than other members of the community. Of course, you're more than a simple clone, as the amount of junk and bigotry that you've been posting lately makes you a contender to the throne!!! Congratulations!
2- It is undesirable to see within our community narrow minded bullies and hooligans like Dr. Junkestenin and his clones
3- Dr. Junkenstein and his clones are a reminiscence of the unfortunate influence of the Jurkish mindset on the Armenian populations; as a matter of fact, you behave like Jurks and are as hideous, obnoxious and provincial as Jurks
4- The narrow mindedness and obscurantism that you preach is the reason why many young Armenians stay away from the community. To make things worse, you claim to be the "real" Armenians despite your obviously Jurkish behavior. We do not need your Central Asian mentality among us. Honestly, who wants to be associated with narrow minded riff-raff??
5- I consider the fact that his/your kind is decreasing in number within the Armenian Society as a positive development; a fact that one may interpret as an indication that their role in (building) the future of the Armenia Nation is at best secondary and/or unnecessary. In other words, the future is without you!

Second of all, it's not about Dr. Junkenstein's geopolitical choices and ideas; choices and ideas that are shared by millions across the World, since a while now. The fact that some of you have discovered them only recently - and are still enthusiastic about it - is of no relevance.

Most of all, I have been gladly noticing that more and more members of the forum are daring to confront Dr. Junkenstein and his clones - a positive development - and I hope that the trend will continue until your thick heads realize that you can't ostracize and harass others only because they do not fit in your dark age world and/or do not share your Central Asian Jurkish values.

So let me get this straight, you first insult Armenian and then you "salute" Ara Baliozian,

Are you continuing you imaginary discussion? In my last post, I said that it has nothing to do arabaliozian. As a consequence, anything about arabaliozian will be skipped - by the way, for the most, I think that you're debating with yourself, your "fears" and perceptions.
With all due respect, I found a bit funny your "logic" that because the thread is about arabaliozian then my criticism of Armenian is a support for arabaliozian???? Hilarious!

now, you are claiming that Armenian is the "politically challagened"

Yes, he is. Each time he - LOL almost with a little boy's pride - talks about political movements and theories, the expression "goshgagari kaghakaganoutioun" comes to the mind - because he has nothing more than a remotely vague idea of what he's talking about. Each time, he mentions a book, it's from the collection "Politics for Dummies."
Someone expressed the same in a more politically correct manner saying that he's - Dr. Junkenstein - not an erudite; but, I see no reason to be polite when it's about a hideous bully. If you can't see it, then good for you!

I will give you the benefit of the doubt, assuming you are a "nationalist", do you give your "salut" to Ara because you believe in his cause and work or are you doing so to prove a point?

LOL Something tells me that you're referring to the expression "A bon entendeur salut!?????" This is hilarious!
Each time I am exposed to one of the hooligans that you are, I am amazed by the immensity of your ignorance, the mediocrity of your reading and intellectual skills.
However, it is not amazing to see that the dumber you are, the bigger your mouth is!

Hmm ... let me get this straight, you are attacking Armenian under a thread addressed to Ara in order to belittle Armenian? Sorry, but I call bullxxxx, I will always call bullxxxx, and now, it makes sense, essentially,

As I have said previously, it has nothing to do with arabaliozian.
I have criticized Dr. Junkenstein in the past, and will continue to do so in the future, as my schedule allows. Get used to it! See you next time!!!

what ended up happening is this, Armenian had some accurate political theories, you feel threatened and like most demagogs you attacked him in order to increase your clout among the audience. This is typical Armenian attitudes towards each other, you try to bring another down to raise yourself, its disgusting, if anything you could have at least had the courtesy to attack him and his views on his threads, but no, you choose this thread to do just that, to belittle him, kick him when he is "down".

The above is funny for, at least, two reasons:
1- Using the adjective "accurate" to characterize "political theories" suggests that you, like Dr. Junkenstein, have little understanding of Political Theory, as it cannot be accurate. So the hooligans have recruited another "goshgagar!"
2- Your are accusing me of what you hooligans do with anybody who does not fit a certain profile and/or dares to confront you???

No, don't play that game, there is no "hero" in this, we need better men and women.

Because we need better men and women, we don't need hideous Jurk like hooligans like Dr. Junkenstein and his clones.

No one is the "bully", no one is the "cowboy", there exists nothing but interests. We are not motivated by "good" or "evil". Do you honestly think any of us "nationalists" are "evil"?

blah blah blah!
Some "nationalists" are evil - and prove to be disastrous for the well being of a nation - and some are not? Are you saying that, in the name of what you perceive as "nationalism," all should be tolerated? Please go back to your dark ages!

Yeah, right, "uncultured" and "narrowminded", listen asswipe, I am more "cultured" and "openminded" than you are.

And your posts are fine illustrations of cultural refinement and open mindedness!!!! Please humor us a bit more!

Please, by all means, explain to me "what forest" Armenian is hiding from you?

!t means that only few in the community are uncultured narrow minded bullies like you and Armenian.
By the way, for a "cultured" individual, your understanding skills are quite poor!

2.4 He is grossly extrapolating and exaggerating
2.3 He's the first victim of his venom
2.4 etc. etc.

Where is your proof? Please, cite examples of "grossly extrapolating" and "esaggerating".

I'm not sure, but it seems that the above is another illustration of your poor reading skills. In my post, "He" referred to arabaliozian. When "items/bullets" follow a sentence, they all refer to the latter and same!

No, I would opt for civil war if it meant we would clean up the house. Like I mentioned earlier, how ever "bad" Armenian's analysis is, the reality is that at least it gets a impressionable youth interested in the Armenian cause as opposed to Ara, who only preaches about topics that indirectly convince people to assimilate and adapt instead of fighting for self determination.

LOL You will opt for war - civil or not - and violence, no matter what; it's part of your Central Asian Jurkish mindset.
By the way, is your option another reflection of your "open mindedness?" Also, keep in mind that a clean house may mean less riff-raff like you and Dr. Junkestein

The answer is "NO, I don't see in the above good reasons to tolerate an uncultured bully like Armenian!" Furthermore, as suggested above, there is no telling that a riff-raff like Armenian is of any value to the (building) of the Armenian Nation.

Are you serious?

Yes, I am serious. Get used to it!

[arabaliozian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

RECAPITULATION
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Armenians are brought up to believe
(one) they are smart, (two) Turks are
bloodthirsty savages, and
(three) the so-called civilized West speaks with
a forked tongue.
*
If we are smart, why did we allow ourselves to be
ruled by barbarians and hoodwinked by baloney
artists? What if even morons can be successfully
brainwashed to believe they are smart?
What if given the right (or wrong) circumstances,
all men, regardless of nationality, are capable
of behaving like savages?
What if all diplomats and politicians, including
our own, speak with a forked tongue?
*
To introduce doubts where there are nothing but
certainties is the function of philosophy,
according to Bertrand Russell in his WISDOM OF
THE WEST, perhaps because certainties legitimize
intolerance and arrogance as surely as doubts
open the gate of tolerance, an enhanced
understanding of the human condition, and
progress.
*
Speaking of tolerance versus intolerance: why is
it that we were successful in being tolerant of
Turkish barbarism for six centuries but
consistently intolerant of our own writers, most
of whom were either ignored, silenced, starved or
betrayed to the enemy? And what was their crime?
What else but trying to share their understanding
of human nature and history.
*
As I see it, the function of Armenian literature
today is to convince us that (one) we have been
perennial victims and dupes because we were dumb;
(two) there can be nothing more moronic than to
allow our own leadership to divide and subdivide
us in a world of monolithic giants and to be
taken in by our masters of the blame game
parading as pundits; and (three) it is morally
indefensible, not to say suicidal, to silence and
starve anyone who fails to flatter our collective
vanity.
#

[arabaliozian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Friday, January 14, 2005
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MAXIMS AND REFLECTIONS
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To insult someone anonymously is to add cowardice
to bad manners.
*
If you are afraid of writers, don’t read; if you
are afraid of losing an argument, don’t
contradict.
*
The wife of a wealthy fool will be prettier than
the wife of a poor philosopher.
*
Every dupe operates on the assumption that he
cannot be duped.
*
Don’t assume, but if you must, assume against
yourself – you will be on safer ground that way.
*
When it comes to the failings of other nations,
we have 20/20 vision, but when it comes to our
own, we are blind, deaf, and dumb.
*
When two fools agree, they think they have
achieved wisdom.
*
If you criticize or insult someone without
understanding or reading him, you expose your own
shortcomings more than his.
*
Dialogue has very few friends but many enemies,
among them: ignorance, prejudice, power, dogma,
arrogance, ego, barbarism, and in general,
anything that is connected with ideology and
religion.
*
On the subject of horizons, dwarfs will never
agree with giants.
*
All fools can plead not guilty on grounds of
ignorance.
*
xxxISH WISDOM
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“When a crook kisses you, count your teeth.”
*
“A friend you have to buy; enemies you get for
nothing.”
*
“Some academics are no better than jackasses
because all they carry is a lot of books.”
*
“A deaf man heard a mute tell him how a blind man
saw a cripple run – on water.”
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[jgk3]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Hmm, after reading this thread again, an anti-ara sticky thread came to mind.

[Virgil]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Who is he? "Ara Baliozian"
I have never heard his name before(By the way I am not a Armenian)

He is a homosexual that likes Turkish men, you should send him a private message, you will make a cute couple. You can go spread the Anti-Armenian sentiments everywhere, he would really enjoy the company.

[Virgil]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Kaki, he is a Turk nationalist like you.

Seriously, the stupidity of the Armenian people is amazing, well, let me clarify, the stupidity of the Armenian Diaspora is amazing. Turks on a daily basis charge themselves up, example:





It is embarressing, we have to fight a two front war, one against the above that are out to destroy us, while at the same time, we have to convince and stop the "Ara type" from destroying the Armenian spirit of the Diaspora.

Ara if you are reading this I just hope you understand you re destroying your people, you are disarming them. All these demagogs need to stop talking and go back to Armenia, if not, they should just shut the xxxx up and assimilate, love it or leave it.

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Who is he? "Ara Baliozian"
I have never heard his name before(By the way I am not a Armenian)

Kaki, he is a Turk nationalist like you.

[Kanki]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Who is he? "Ara Baliozian"
I have never heard his name before(By the way I am not a Armenian)

[Armenian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Moderators, Ara's birthday has come and gone already. Also, there is already a thead for Ara's writings. Could you please close this thread and move Ara's posts to the appropriate thread: "notes and comments".

I more-or-less agree with you, enker. However, if you think that Ara's work is crap - express your feelings where ever discussions about him may be. There are those who say that Ara is a egomaniac and that they don't want to waste time debating with him because that is what he is craving - attention in his old age. While this approach is true, I think it is counterproductive. I say this because Ara has Turkish and Jewish readers that at times following his links to this discussion forum. Ara also tries to recruit his Armenian readers from Canada, more often the liberal Ramkavar types, to read his self-hating, destructive, egotistical crap. So, by expressing your sentiments about him you are also showing the Armenian self-haters, Jews and Turks who happen to come by here that there are Armenians who call Ara's bluff...

Let's not give this fool the satisfaction of thinking that he is one of our "writers" and/or "intellectuals." As far as an Armenian 'writer' is concerned, Ara is only worthy of being considered a 'mediocre' writer at best. As far as 'intellect' is concerned, Ara is an intellectual midget. And as far as being an 'Armenian' is concerned, Ara is 'not' an Armenian.

The aforementioned is the fundamental reasons why Ara has been rejected from the Armenian public scene. While Armenians adore, even worship, their poets and writers - Kaputikyan, Sevag, Charents, Isahakian, Tumanyan, Raffi, Emin - to name a few, this "Ara Baliozian" character remains virtually nameless. That is why we see his anger, his disgruntlement and his self-hate. In Ara's twisted mind, had he been an American, or a Canadian, or a westerner, he would have gained fame. Since he writes for "Ottomanized Armenians" and "Gazetajis" he has gotten no where...

[Armenian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

"Oh my god, Siamanto is 'wasting his time discussing' topics with Armenian",...

Dude, I told you this character is a freak of nature, a neurotic... Engage him at your own risk. Nevertheless, don't expect a 'debate' from him/her, don't expect common sense or logic either. He/she is obsessed by me. I even think he/she is quite jealous of me for some reason. Therefore, he/she will oppose anything I state, even if it's the obvious. Please, just disregard him/her.