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  • #51
    Now be good little forumers and stop this atheist non sense. Go to Church.

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    • #52
      I can not help but still disagree with you. It is a matter of probability. I can talk about the Sun being powered by a giant penis but that does not make it true. It only becomes a probability.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Arvestaked I can not help but still disagree with you. It is a matter of probability. I can talk about the Sun being powered by a giant penis but that does not make it true. It only becomes a probability.
        There is no probability. We are not talking about the existence of God pragmatically. We are talking only of his existence in the understanding. If he didnt exist in the understanding, then we wouldnt be even having this conversation right now.

        Even the sun being powered by a penis (thats kind of weird but...ok). It exists in the understanding. So therefore, I can not be a sun-powered-penis atheist, because I have thought about it.

        If you want me to argue with you about the existence of God in the understanding AND existence in the reality, I will gladly do so. I will use pragmatic reasoning, as experience only accounts for anectodal evidence.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by Arvestaked I must admit it makes me feel warm and fuzzy knowing that you understand the reference.

          FYI: "Yankee Rose" are the last words in the Satanic Bible and nobody knows why ASL wrote them.
          Yeah, I'm filled with all sorts of random knowledge. I try to be knowledgable about certain things if I am going to argue them... Anyway, there's another example of just believing. That the people of the Church of Satan have speculated what he might have meant when he said that, but they don't question it too much more than that. They just let it be, because thats the way Lavey wanted it, to just be left alone. Interesting thing the mind of people and how it works. It's incredible really. Curiosity killed the cat, but we're still alive because he have the ability to just let things be. Let it be, let it beeeeee... Yeah, just like the Beatles said it.
          The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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          • #55
            Originally posted by surferarmo Now be good little forumers and stop this atheist non sense. Go to Church.

            You know what surfer dude, you could have at least found a better example of a stained glass window. Like one that doesn't look like it's depicting a priest making a little boy do dirty things. lol.
            The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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            • #56
              You are picking and chosing how you want to use the word "existence." Yes, one may interpret pragmatism in such a way that makes disbelief an impossibility. But this is in reference to the relativity amongst ideas. Atheism is a comment on reality. And pragmatism is very supportive of it in the sense that man created God instead of vice-versa.
              Last edited by Arvestaked; 12-03-2003, 04:40 PM.

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              • #57
                Yeah, I'm filled with all sorts of random knowledge. I try to be knowledgable about certain things if I am going to argue them...
                Random knowledge is good.

                Anyway, there's another example of just believing. That the people of the Church of Satan have speculated what he might have meant when he said that, but they don't question it too much more than that. They just let it be, because thats the way Lavey wanted it, to just be left alone. Interesting thing the mind of people and how it works. It's incredible really. Curiosity killed the cat, but we're still alive because he have the ability to just let things be. Let it be, let it beeeeee... Yeah, just like the Beatles said it.
                This is true but I see a difference between a man-made idea and an idea that allegedly made man. Something man-made can be guaranteed to have a purpose because it had a creator. In the macro sense, from my point of view, we do not have a purpose because we are governed by entropy.

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                • #58
                  Ok, then if you do believe we don't have a purpose, what keeps you going? Why do you wake up every morning and do the things you do? Are you living completely for yourself? To do things that cause you enjoyment, excitement, happiness....?
                  The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald

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                  • #59
                    Well, first of all, it is unfortunate but as animals we have the instinct of self preservation. So we have the intelligence to question significance but it is difficult to rise against it because of instinct.

                    What keeps me going? Sheesh. Art, fantasy, and the desire to love and be loved. And the fact that I won't kill myself because I don't have the guts and because I don't want to hurt the people in my life that do in fact love me unconditionally.

                    All my reasons are down here.

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                    • #60
                      ...

                      And God said, 'Let there be light' and there was light, but the Electricity Board said he would have to wait until Thursday to be connected.


                      In my opinion, more people are driven insane through religious hysteria than by drinking alcohol
                      ...and I guess the fact that I believe
                      Gods are fragile things - they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense - pretty much explains my opinion on this matter...

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