Originally posted by Shahumyan I did actually say cut the wit out, however it seems as you cannot explain a point, you must wow the crowd crappy one liners...
you seem to think you are correct on your analysis of human nature, please bring evidence and use it before making conclusions...
Marxists dont try to make a utopia, simply changing hands of the means of production, and democratically controlling wealth, not the dictatorship of the bourgeoise
you seem to think you are correct on your analysis of human nature, please bring evidence and use it before making conclusions...
Marxists dont try to make a utopia, simply changing hands of the means of production, and democratically controlling wealth, not the dictatorship of the bourgeoise
The workers cannot control production since it is owned by a producers and they are choosing to work in it. The free market economics is the basis of this. But this idea that workers should all have the same means, is one of the key errors, rather the epistemological error of Marxism, since it claims that our thinking reflects our class, and our ideas are a product of our class. Marx himself admits in the Manifesto that the proletariat doesn't only have class interests.
"The organization of the proletarians into a class and thereby into a political party is repeatedly frustrated by the competition among the workers themselves."
Thus to assume that it is only about their CLASS that they care about is erroneous on behalf of the Marxists. Marx's quote goes into a deeper world. He admits that aside from class interests the worker has other interests, and what o what should he follow? According to the Marxists he should of course follow his class interests. But if Marx himself admitted that the worker could align his allegiance with other duties, as opposed to class duties, then it becomes a matter of what ought to be, as opposed to what already is. Marxism assumes that the workers will all unite with their common interests, since their thinking is a product of their class and denies free will. This is perhaps one of the biggest indictments against your flawed theory.
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