Atheism and being Armenian

[hipeter924]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

This was more likely due to the divide and conquer schemes planned by outside forces. They had to choose which minorities to pick on to create instability within the Ottoman Empire and Armenians were perfect since they held many high positions. This wasn't based on Armenians being Christians, it was due to Armenians being a threat because of their activity within the empire.

True, but none the less the clergy held great influence over the population, and was thus a useful tool of the Young Turks to help spread the word and implement their genocide.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

For many they do, the clergy also being believers, and the clergy guiding the faith of those believers. How can you with knowledge of the Genocide be so ignorant that you fail to realize that Imams called for Muslims to kill the Christians (being Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks), and it was their call and suggestion they would go to heaven that encouraged the Muslims to do so.

This was more likely due to the divide and conquer schemes planned by outside forces. They had to choose which minorities to pick on to create instability within the Ottoman Empire and Armenians were perfect since they held many high positions. This wasn't based on Armenians being Christians, it was due to Armenians being a threat because of their activity within the empire.

[hipeter924]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

Science also maintains false beliefs during a time period until new evidence replaces those beliefs that are proven to be false.

The question stated is whether or not someone can be atheist and Armenian and it's really a catch 22. Armenians were pagan prior to Christianity and their adoption of Christianity brought ages of enlightenment which was beneficial to the survival of the Armenian people. What is of concern is whether or not an Atheist is denying Armenian history by claiming that Armenia's golden age would have happened with or without the formation of a Christian state. In other words, did Christianity (at the state level) lead to an increase in intelligence or was it bound to happen regardless? Also, I don't see why someone of faith can't follow the scientific method.... science is a profession.

I think that depends on the individuals that existed within the institution at the time. Do you think there could have been an Armenian Golden Age if the people who ran the Armenian Church ran a hardliner Christian Theocracy that forced everyone to believe what they did on pain of death, and persecuted those who disagreed (including the scientists and philosophers). I doubt there could have been an Armenian golden age without freedom of thought and a certain level of religious freedom. The answer to the question is not so much would there have have been an Armenian Golden Age, as what factors and individuals contributed to the Christian church being so positive for the Armenian society at the time.

[hipeter924]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

What on earth that youtube clip has to do with what I’m saying.
The clergy people, don’t represent God. They are actors who play and act to make money

What? Knowing people who actually are part of clergy, I can say that is the exact opposite for a lot of them.

I don’t represent all the believers, I represent myself, but let’s make one thing clear clergies don’t represent believers

For many they do, the clergy also being believers, and the clergy guiding the faith of those believers. How can you with knowledge of the Genocide be so ignorant that you fail to realize that Imams called for Muslims to kill the Christians (being Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks), and it was their call and suggestion they would go to heaven that encouraged the Muslims to do so.

By “Criticizing” (which most of you mock) God if you think you will be a better atheists go ahead and do so till your balls explode, do you think I care? I was just expressing my opinion and the way I think,

You have no problems criticizing Atheists, in fact you have done so from the beginning. You don't think I should have the right to express my opinion, and furthermore you think that I should sit in the closet and shut up. Why should I respect how you think? Your double standard, not mine.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

Atheists never claim to have proof there is no god, they follow the scientific method as opposed to religious teachings, or the beliefs or seeings of the religious.

Science also maintains false beliefs during a time period until new evidence replaces those beliefs that are proven to be false.

The question stated is whether or not someone can be atheist and Armenian and it's really a catch 22. Armenians were pagan prior to Christianity and their adoption of Christianity brought ages of enlightenment which was beneficial to the survival of the Armenian people. What is of concern is whether or not an Atheist is denying Armenian history by claiming that Armenia's golden age would have happened with or without the formation of a Christian state. In other words, did Christianity (at the state level) lead to an increase in intelligence or was it bound to happen regardless? Also, I don't see why someone of faith can't follow the scientific method.... science is a profession.

[Jinx]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

Buy “Criticizing” (which most of you mock) God if you think you will be a better atheists go ahead and do so till your balls explode, do you think I care? I was just expressing my opinion and the way I think, I don’t represent all the believers, I represent myself, but let’s make one thing clear clergies don’t represent believers

I guess I will have to interpret your complete breakdown in coherence here as opting out of the conversation. Pity, I was enjoying it.

[Yedtarts]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

Buy “Criticizing” (which most of you mock) God if you think you will be a better atheists go ahead and do so till your balls explode, do you think I care? I was just expressing my opinion and the way I think, I don’t represent all the believers, I represent myself, but let’s make one thing clear clergies don’t represent believers

[Jinx]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

What on earth that youtube clip has to do with what I’m saying.
The clergy people, don’t represent God. They actors who play and act to make money

I don't mean to be insulting, but I suppose I have to spell it out, since I thought it was pretty obvious how that video clip related...

You said "A true atheist don’t believe in God and goes quietly about it" I'm telling you that atheists cannot, and should not, go quietly about it because religious belief is not benign. It's not like me being a fan of vanilla ice cream and you liking chocolate and me being extremely vocal about denouncing your like of chocolate. That would be rude. However religion does play a very big role in encouraging and promoting actions and values in people that are quite dangerous, or at the very least, weighing down the world of progress. You say go quietly, but how can I go quietly when religious people want to force schools to teach creationism as well as evolution in the classroom? How can I go quietly when religious people try to stop stem cell research that has the potential to save millions of lives? How can I go quietly when religious people use their faith as a basis to effect law and policy? That's what on Earth that video had to do with what you said. I'm telling you why this fervency is present in many atheists, and why we won't be quiet.

[Yedtarts]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

Wrong.

This actually puts it pretty well: Lack of Belief in Gods (starting at 7:30 is when the video addresses your issue with why Atheists feel compelled to criticize rather than go "quietly" about it, as you put it)

What on earth that youtube clip has to do with what I’m saying.
The clergy people, don’t represent God. They are actors who play and act to make money

[hipeter924]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

Albania was the first Atheist state in the world. People will and have died to keep their freedom to practice and teach their children religion. Atheists are not immune from criticism and just like any other ideologies, it's up to the parent to decide what to teach their children and shouldn't be dictated by the state.

The first Atheist DICTATORSHIP, is the key word, societies which are ruled through an iron fist are the ones that deny people freedom. With religion THEOCRACY is a key word as everyone is ruled through the iron fist of a few religious rulers or one religious ruler, just like under the Ottoman Empire where Islam was the dominant faith that forced its ideology upon Armenian Christians.