Atheism and being Armenian

[Jinx]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

Albania was the first Atheist state in the world. People will and have died to keep their freedom to practice and teach their children religion. Atheists are not immune from criticism and just like any other ideologies, it's up to the parent to decide what to teach their children and shouldn't be dictated by the state.

And you have every right to criticize any disgusting regime, be it religious or secular. I don't think I ever implied the contrary.

[KanadaHye]

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Mocking is not right, but anyone and any ideology is absolutely allowed to be criticized. Religious people don't get a free pass to just believe whatever they want and have it be respected others just because its their faith. The most deadly thing is "this is beyond reproach, don't criticize it and just look the other way." I'm very vocal about my criticisms, but I don't think I out right mock. The church is not immune from criticism, least of all by me. Sorry.

Albania was the first Atheist state in the world. People will and have died to keep their freedom to practice and teach their children religion. Atheists are not immune from criticism and just like any other ideologies, it's up to the parent to decide what to teach their children and shouldn't be dictated by the state.

[hipeter924]

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See now you started to insult me. You don’t have to believe to what I believe in, no one is forcing you to believe in God, In your opinion he does not exist, that is fine, why mock something that don’t exist. A true atheist don’t believe in God and goes quietly about it, like I don’t believe in UFOs, you don’t see me writing books about it or going to seminars, have meetings or constantly mocking UFO believers, but most antis hide behind an atheist mask and mock God. And just because you don’t have a proof of God’s existence it doesn’t mean there is no proof, I have my proof that is enough for me, and whoever finds his proof will become a true believer, this is not a competition nor I want everyone to become a believer. You should be 100% convinced of it or else you will be one of those that goes to church as a duty, cross’ his face, lights a candle, leave some money there and come home.

A true atheist don’t believe in God and goes quietly about it.
^Actually you just insulted all Atheists right there (while claiming I was insulting you by presenting what all Atheists actually believe), atheism is a non-belief, nor is there such thing as a 100% Atheist, most Atheists are Agnostic to some extent.

you don’t see me writing books about it or going to seminars, have meetings or constantly mocking UFO believers

Yet many religious people have no problems, going to seminars, having meetings and constantly mocking Atheists for believing in evolution and having a life without god, as well as writing books calling all Atheists evil and inferior, and deserving of eternal hellfire? Or in George W. Bush's view they don't even deserve the right to be citizens or human beings.

And just because you don’t have a proof of God’s existence it doesn’t mean there is no proof

Atheists never claim to have proof there is no god, they follow the scientific method as opposed to religious teachings, or the beliefs or seeings of the religious.

I have my proof that is enough for me, and whoever finds his proof will become a true believer, this is not a competition nor I want everyone to become a believer

Yet you stated you want Atheists to be subservient to religious people and never say what they believe, keep silent in the closet and shut up. Thanks for that. Everything in your post has just proven, that you are out of touch with reality. I am just waiting for you to start claiming all Atheists are Stalinist (even though Stalin was himself brought up as Russian Orthodox), and that we all support Hitler (who was Roman Catholic btw). Belief or ideology has nothing to do with how good or evil someone is, instead it is the character of the individual.

[Jinx]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

See now you started to insult me. You don’t have to believe to what I believe in, no one is forcing you to believe in God, In your opinion he does not exist, that is fine, why mock something that don’t exist. A true atheist don’t believe in God and goes quietly about it, like I don’t believe in UFOs, you don’t see me writing books about it or going to seminars, have meetings or constantly mocking UFO believers, but most antis hide behind an atheist mask and mock God. And just because you don’t have a proof of God’s existence it doesn’t mean there is no proof, I have my proof that is enough for me, and whoever finds his proof will become a true believer, this is not a competition nor I want everyone to become a believer. You should be 100% convinced of it or else you will be one of those that goes to church as a duty, cross’ his face, lights a candle, leave some money there and come home.

Wrong.

This actually puts it pretty well: Lack of Belief in Gods (starting at 7:30 is when the video addresses your issue with why Atheists feel compelled to criticize rather than go "quietly" about it, as you put it)

[Yedtarts]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

If you want a reason why Atheists mock god and believers it is because there is no god (or non religious evidence of god), and Atheists thus see religious people as living a lie or a delusion.

See now you started to insult me. You don’t have to believe to what I believe in, no one is forcing you to believe in God, In your opinion he does not exist, that is fine, why mock something that don’t exist. A true atheist don’t believe in God and goes quietly about it, like I don’t believe in UFOs, you don’t see me writing books about it or going to seminars, have meetings or constantly mocking UFO believers, but most antis hide behind an atheist mask and mock God. And just because you don’t have a proof of God’s existence it doesn’t mean there is no proof, I have my proof that is enough for me, and whoever finds his proof will become a true believer, this is not a competition nor I want everyone to become a believer. You should be 100% convinced of it or else you will be one of those that goes to church as a duty, cross’ his face, lights a candle, leave some money there and come home.

[Jinx]

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I have no problem with atheists as long as they don't mock god or believers, I respect they way they think and I want them to respect the way we/us (believers) think.

Mocking is not right, but anyone and any ideology is absolutely allowed to be criticized. Religious people don't get a free pass to just believe whatever they want and have it be respected others just because its their faith. The most deadly thing is "this is beyond reproach, don't criticize it and just look the other way." I'm very vocal about my criticisms, but I don't think I out right mock. The church is not immune from criticism, least of all by me. Sorry.

[hipeter924]

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The Armenian identity is firmly rooted in Christianity:

1) The Armenian alphabet was created by the Church
2) The Armenian language was preserved by the Church
3) The majority of Armenian history is recorded my the Church
4) The majority of Armenian music is recorded, historically, by the Church

The Armenian church preserved Armenian history and culture, but it didn't create most of it (individual Armenians did), there are many Armenian writers, artists and historians (that barely attended or weren't even involved with the Church) that preserved and recorded Armenian history and culture in Western Armenia and Europe, after the Genocide this was mostly lost (and destroyed by the Turks).

[Yeznik]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

The Armenian identity is firmly rooted in Christianity:

1) The Armenian alphabet was created by the Church
2) The Armenian language was preserved by the Church
3) The majority of Armenian history is recorded my the Church
4) The majority of Armenian music is recorded, historically, by the Church

[hipeter924]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

I have no problem with atheists as long as they don’t mock god or believers, I respect they way they think and I want them to respect the way we/us (believers) think.

This is impossible because of a few things like:

1) Religious views being imposed on Atheists i.e. Religious opposition to civil unions or marriage for homosexuals, and abortions.

2) No taxation for churches or even worse Atheists being forced to fund churches or faith based schools (through taxation), or for religious people being forced (through taxation) to fund abortion clinics.

3) Discrimination against Atheists i.e. treating Atheists like they are servants of the devil or less moral (even though statistically religious people are more likely to commit crime than Atheists, and Atheists are less than 1% of the prison population), refusing employment or accommodation simply because they are Atheists.
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Atheists will never truly respect how religious people think, nor will religious people ever truly respect how Atheists think. If you want a reason why Atheists mock god and believers it is because there is no god (or non religious evidence of god), and Atheists thus see religious people as living a lie or a delusion. Atheists and religious people are different depending on the individual, some have bad experiences of Atheists just like Atheists have some bad experiences of religious people.

Just like with anything else, respect has to be earned, Atheists and Christians for example can be good friends and respect each other but as far as views are concerned, would you respect a view that declares Christ is a man and/or that the bible is a mix of fairy tale story's and a work of fiction, that supports genocide, persecution of homosexuals, the inferiority of women, and murder? I doubt as a Christian you could without being a heretic, denying Christ (as well as the good nature of Christ) by your own faith sentences you to an eternity in hell.

Popular figures of Atheism like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens are more vocal and hostile to religion, because they are forced to be because they are in the spotlight, just like popular figures of religion like the Pope are more vocal and hostile to Atheism. The sad thing however is that religious people and atheists don't get along because of the most extreme elements in both, corrupt and spiteful preachers or pedophiles in the priesthood give heavily negative vibes, so that is why Atheists get pissed off when religious people claim to be morally superior or of special moral status when they don't even follow or adhere to their own moral beliefs (aka love thy neighbor).

[Yedtarts]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

You do not need to go to church to be considered as a religious person, it is one of the biggest sins to do it if you do it for a show. Lighting the biggest candle, putting big amount of money in the tray while flashing it, donating large amount of money but asking so they announce it out loud, praying out loud so everyone hears that your praying, or crying and asking forgiveness out loud are some of sins that most religious people do these days even priests and most high ranked clergy people, wearing big golden crosses and holding tall golden batons, wearing golden capes and hats and walking like kings and extending thier hands to people so they can kiss it are big sins too. You can be religious even more so than the pope or the catholicos if you can communicate with God in your privet room and if you accept Jesus’ as his son and accept his way of translating god’s words, you're a Christian, forget all the other hocus on focus b/s that the clergy people feed you. it's as simple as that!

I have no problem with atheists as long as they don’t mock god or believers, I respect they way they think and I want them to respect the way we/us (believers) think.