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  • #131
    Re: Atheism and being Armenian

    Originally posted by Siggie View Post
    Point you to scientific studies of what? Shamanistic healing? You went from studying states of consciousness straight to the woo. Do I look like google? Here: I'll point you to whatever you'd like.
    Are you sure they let you teach? lol
    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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    • #132
      Re: Atheism and being Armenian

      Originally posted by Siggie View Post
      People can gather out of non-religious traditions to. You don't need to baptize to celebrate the birth of a child... Baby showers? Birthdays? You can mourn someone without involvement of the church. There are lots of secular funerals and weddings. You can do all of this without a prayer. These are things people celebrate universally. And mourning death is universal as well.
      Yeah, we know how it's done in America... and there is no need to bring that trash into Armenian society.
      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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      • #133
        Re: Atheism and being Armenian

        Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
        Are you sure they let you teach? lol
        Thanks. You're a classy guy.

        Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
        Yeah, we know how it's done in America... and there is no need to bring that trash into Armenian society.
        You had such an offended tone in your response to Jinx about facades, yet you can call the non-religious celebrations and mourning of other people "trash"?
        Let me take a moment to enjoy that warmth and compassion.
        [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
        -Henry Ford[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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        • #134
          Re: Atheism and being Armenian

          Originally posted by Siggie View Post
          Thanks. You're a classy guy.
          Shamans don't have churches, you'd like them.


          Originally posted by Siggie View Post
          You had such an offended tone in your response to Jinx about facades, yet you can call the non-religious celebrations and mourning of other people "trash"?
          Let me take a moment to enjoy that warmth and compassion.
          Are you comparing a culture lacking, money worshiping, self idolizing, materialistic society to Armenian culture?

          Let me play back what you suggested:

          Armenians should get married in a Vegas drive thru
          Armenians should eliminate the word GNOONK, G'NKAHAYR and G'NKAMAYR from their vocabulary
          Armenians should celebrate the death of a member of the community with a backyard barbecue

          Any other classy ideas?
          Last edited by KanadaHye; 04-28-2011, 08:01 PM.
          "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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          • #135
            Re: Atheism and being Armenian

            Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
            Shamans don't have churches, you'd like them.




            Are you comparing a culture lacking, money worshiping, self idolizing, materialistic society to Armenian culture?

            Let me play back what you suggested:

            Armenians should get married in a Vegas drive thru
            Armenians should eliminate the word GNOONK, G'NKAHAYR and G'NKAMAYR from their vocabulary
            Armenians should celebrate the death of a member of the community with a backyard barbecue

            Any other classy ideas?
            Yeah that's exactly what I said. Hang on, there's someone knocking on my trailer door.
            You know, for all your Christian ideals...I have still treated you with more respect than you've shown me.
            You can propose preposterous things that I never did (deliberately misrepresenting what I said), so you can sarcastically call me "classy," but I think actions and words here tell it all.


            Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
            It's probably Jerry Springer looking for recruits.

            Since I never said any of the things you're reacting to, ask yourself what the real reason is that you're being rude to me and insulting me.
            I'd love to know what I did to deserve to be treated so kindly.
            [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
            -Henry Ford[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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            • #136
              Re: Atheism and being Armenian

              Originally posted by Siggie View Post
              Yeah that's exactly what I said. Hang on, there's someone knocking on my trailer door.
              It's probably Jerry Springer looking for recruits.
              "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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              • #137
                "faith" is not an intellectual/mental posture.

                John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

                it is not about observing rituals either.

                Isaiah 1:11 The multitude of your sacrifices � what are they to me?� says the LORD.

                Matthew 22:37 Jesus replied: ��Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.�
                Matthew 22:38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
                Matthew 22:39 And the second is like it: �Love your neighbor as yourself.�
                Matthew 22:40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.�

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                • #138
                  Re: Atheism and being Armenian

                  Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                  You know, for all your Christian ideals...I have still treated you with more respect than you've shown me.
                  You can propose preposterous things that I never did (deliberately misrepresenting what I said), so you can sarcastically call me "classy," but I think actions and words here tell it all.
                  My ideals are Armenian, they are what I have grown up with and I'll defend every last bit of them from insult because I have every right as an Armenian to do so. I still don't know why you assume I'm supposed to portray Christian ideals when I was raised in a secular society. I will not cater to ideas and concepts that I know are deliberately imposed to undermine my culture.

                  Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                  Since I never said any of the things you're reacting to, ask yourself what the real reason is that you're being rude to me and insulting me.
                  I'd love to know what I did to deserve to be treated so kindly.
                  Ever hear of sarcasm?
                  "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                  • #139
                    Re: Atheism and being Armenian

                    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                    My ideals are Armenian, they are what I have grown up with and I'll defend every last bit of them from insult because I have every right as an Armenian to do so. I still don't know why you assume I'm supposed to portray Christian ideals when I was raised in a secular society. I will not cater to ideas and concepts that I know are deliberately imposed to undermine my culture.



                    Ever hear of sarcasm?
                    Oh I see... so it's Armenian culture that condones rudeness and insults. Got it now. It's Armenian culture that you're defending from me? As if I'm not a part of that? Since when would being INCLUSIVE of Armenians who are not religious undermine Armenian culture? Is further division really what is best for us?

                    No, there's sarcasm and there are jokes, but that was neither (especially questioning my competency to teach).
                    [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
                    -Henry Ford[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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                    • #140
                      Re: Atheism and being Armenian

                      Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                      Oh I see... so it's Armenian culture that condones rudeness and insults. Got it now. It's Armenian culture that you're defending from me? As if I'm not a part of that? Since when would being INCLUSIVE of Armenians who are not religious undermine Armenian culture? Is further division really what is best for us?

                      No, there's sarcasm and there are jokes, but that was neither (especially questioning my competency to teach).
                      You don't seem to be a part of it since you constantly side with the trolls.
                      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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