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  • #11
    Re: Why are atheists disliked in America?

    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    Ask any male atheist if they ever plan on getting married. Since they relate marriage to a religious ceremony, they feel that it's not necessary to have a legal contract if you are committed to a person.
    Not true. Many atheists still want to, and get, married.

    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    That's precisely the problem. Atheists aren't irreligious, they have just invented a different type of religion.
    Not true. This is a very cliche idea at this point, to say that atheists are just like another religion now. Even if some atheists may act this way, it's not the majority, and even if it were, that would not be the definition of what an atheist is. Atheism just means a lack of belief in supernatural deities. That is all.
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    • #12
      Re: Why are atheists disliked in America?

      Practically speaking, atheists are saying there is no God. No mortal can know this with absolute certainty. So I do agree it is another kind of religion (belief system).

      We can't know if atheists are right or wrong and it doesn't really matter. What we do know with very strong confidence is that the fundamentals of what Christians and Muslims claim are absolutely bogus with no basis in fact or reality. So even though we can know with very high certainty that the Christian God is complete make-belief, there is really no way to know if there is a "God" or not.

      Edit: and lol @ siggie
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      • #13
        Re: Why are atheists disliked in America?

        Originally posted by Sip View Post
        The big difference between the "religious" and the "atheists" is that the atheists are right
        Not that being right makes about something makes much difference in America. America, in politics and society, seems to bring a fanatical religious attitude to the concept of being "right" about things: even if you are found to be wrong, you are still in the right because you are on the good side, thus can never actually be wrong, and the other side is always in the wrong, even if they happen to be right, because they are an intrinsically evil abomination to which the word "right" can never be applied.
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        • #14
          Re: Why are atheists disliked in America?

          Originally posted by Sip View Post
          We can't know if atheists are right or wrong and it doesn't really matter. What we do know with very strong confidence is that the fundamentals of what Christians and Muslims claim are absolutely bogus with no basis in fact or reality. So even though we can know with very high certainty that the Christian God is complete make-belief, there is really no way to know if there is a "God" or not.

          Edit: and lol @ siggie
          The fundamentals of what J3ws believe predates those of Christians and Muslims and according their belief, it's the year 5771 because they start counting from the day Adam and Eve were created (the sixth day... no not the Schwarzenegger film).
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          • #15
            Re: Why are atheists disliked in America?

            Originally posted by Sip View Post
            Practically speaking, atheists are saying there is no God. No mortal can know this with absolute certainty. So I do agree it is another kind of religion (belief system).

            We can't know if atheists are right or wrong and it doesn't really matter. What we do know with very strong confidence is that the fundamentals of what Christians and Muslims claim are absolutely bogus with no basis in fact or reality. So even though we can know with very high certainty that the Christian God is complete make-belief, there is really no way to know if there is a "God" or not.
            Most atheists acknowledge God after they become drug addicts or alcoholics and want to overcome these addictions, after trying everything that money can buy and fail there, they try Godís way, and you see them going on TVs crying like little girls, saying only God was able to help them and ask for forgiveness.
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            • #16
              Re: Why are atheists disliked in America?

              Originally posted by Sip View Post
              Practically speaking, atheists are saying there is no God. No mortal can know this with absolute certainty. So I do agree it is another kind of religion (belief system).
              Wrong. Atheism simply is the lack of belief in God and other supernatural entities, and the lack of belief is usually based on the lack of evidence for such a being or beings. Lacking belief in something is fundamentally different from saying "there is no..."

              What makes religion what it is is the fact that there are certain unquestionable truths you have to accept to be a believer, whereas atheists tend to be people who are incredibly skeptical about such claims. There is nothing in common between the two. Religious people like to make Atheism sound like a system of faith because if you (the religious person) are coming from a position of faith, it's easier to feel as though you're on equal ground with, and with authority enough to attack, another position of faith.

              Originally posted by Yedtarts View Post
              Most atheists acknowledge God after they become drug addicts or alcoholics and want to overcome these addictions, after trying everything that money can buy and fail there, they try God’s way, and you see them going on TVs crying like little girls, saying only God was able to help them and ask for forgiveness.
              Even if this were true, and it may very well be, this says nothing at all about the truth or falsity of the statement "There is a God," and has everything to do with what people will believe to help them through a difficult period time in their life once they are desperate.

              However, I do find it distasteful, assuming you are a christian, that you would make fun of or demean your fellow Christians who turned to your God and savior in their time of need as "crying like little girls on TV." Drug addiction is hardly something to be made light of, especially by "compassionate Christians."
              Last edited by Jinx; 05-07-2011, 04:36 PM.
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              • #17
                Re: Why are atheists disliked in America?

                Originally posted by Jinx View Post
                Even if this were true, and it may very well be, this says nothing at all about the truth or falsity of the statement "There is a God," and has everything to do with what people will believe to help them through a difficult period time in their life once they are desperate.
                Then they go back and become atheists again. Right?


                Originally posted by Jinx View Post
                However, I do find it distasteful, assuming you are a christian, that you would make fun of or demean your fellow Christians who turned to your God and savior in their time of need as "crying like little girls on TV." Drug addiction is hardly something to be made light of, especially by "compassionate Christians."
                First of all I wasn’t responding to you.
                Secondly: it was you who said “I really can't do anything to help If you cannot follow the basic information being exchanged in the conversation”. So why bother to quote me and answer back.
                And thirdly: I never said that I’m a “compassionate Christians” nor said I’m a saint, I will say what I want to say just to show what kind of hypocrites most atheists are. You can go ahead and attack my grammar or the way I construct my sentences or twist my words and say me being a “compassionate Christians”, if it will make you feel that you are winning this argument.
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                • #18
                  Re: Why are atheists disliked in America?

                  Originally posted by Yedtarts View Post
                  I will say what I want to say just to show what kind of hypocrites most atheists are.
                  Except that you haven't.
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                  • #19
                    Re: Why are atheists disliked in America?

                    Originally posted by Yedtarts View Post
                    Most atheists acknowledge God after they become drug addicts or alcoholics and want to overcome these addictions, after trying everything that money can buy and fail there, they try God’s way, and you see them going on TVs crying like little girls, saying only God was able to help them and ask for forgiveness.
                    Truly... From where do you get your information?
                    Are there reliable numbers that show that more than 50% of atheists who become addicts convert? What is God's way anyway? Alcoholics Anonymous? There are secular groups too (e.g. rational recovery).
                    I also want to clarify that you're not saying (because you didn't quite state it this way) that atheists have a higher incidence of drug addiction.
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                    • #20
                      Re: Why are atheists disliked in America?

                      Originally posted by Yedtarts View Post
                      Then they go back and become atheists again. Right?
                      I never implied that. One of the strengths of religion is that once you believe in it, it's very hard to let go. All I said was that people turning to a reassuring or comforting god in their time of need says more about the person and their desperation than it does about whether or not a God actually exists.

                      Originally posted by Yedtarts View Post
                      First of all I wasn’t responding to you.
                      What does that have to do with anything? We're on a public forum here. You posted something in a thread, and I was inspired to respond to it. When someone posts something in this forum, it's not like they can add a "ps" at the end that says "...and only such and such members may respond to this post, the rest of you shut up..."

                      Originally posted by Yedtarts View Post
                      Secondly: it was you who said “I really can't do anything to help If you cannot follow the basic information being exchanged in the conversation”. So why bother to quote me and answer back.
                      Again, what does this have to do with anything? You have every opportunity to respond to the topic at hand here in this thread. I'm hoping you can not repeat the behavior of that other thread you're referring to, but it seems like we may already be off on the wrong foot. I'd prefer if you just focused on the arguments for your view.

                      Originally posted by Yedtarts View Post
                      And thirdly: I never said that I’m a “compassionate Christians” nor said I’m a saint, I will say what I want to say just to show what kind of hypocrites most atheists are. You can go ahead and attack my grammar or the way I construct my sentences or twist my words and say me being a “compassionate Christians”, if it will make you feel that you are winning this argument.
                      I never twisted your words or put any words in your mouth. One of the fundamental aspects of Christianity are the ethics of Jesus Christ, of which the primary one is compassion. This is very clear and controversial to no one who knows anything about Christianity or theology.

                      I never implied you used the words compassionate christian or referred to yourself as such, but you were talking about Christianity, and intrinsic to that is the idea of compassion. You may not consider yourself a saint, but as far as I can tell you are a Christian. This in turn implies that people (yourself or anyone else) can be Christians and not be compassionate, and that is okay as far as you are concerned. If this is the case, then not only have you failed to show that atheists are hypocritical, but you've implied that Christians are.

                      I also didn't bring up your bad grammar at all in this thread. All I was doing was responding to the points you were trying to raise and why I thought they were weak or failed at supporting your arguments.
                      Last edited by Jinx; 05-08-2011, 11:44 AM.
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