How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

[Anonymouse]

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I also feel insulting the Holy Book of our Religion and the religion of the Armenian nation as completely wrong. I'm not going to force everyone to believe my faith, but I do think people need to be more respectful when it comes to what they say about our Holy Scripture and religion, especially if one is an Armenian talking against the religion of the Armenian people. I've noticed that in the secular West, everything is done to attack religion as something "backwards" and ignoring the fundamental good that has come from Jesus's teachings and the set of morality that it has established in societies. It's seems that it's part of some agenda. A godless, secular society is something that we must avoid in Armenia, because the consequences of it will be dire.

[Haykakan]

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ba vonc karan hetevankner chlnen? ete du azatutyun unes u karas ko uzac voroshumner@ kayacnes, apa bnakan a, vor du vat voroshumner el kkayacnes. Ete cankacac mard ir kyankum sxal ban e anum, et ira mexkn a, voch te Astco.

Nuin baner ughaki krkinumes. Yete lav baner astdzo shnorhiven apa inchu vat banernelera shnorhiv chen? Astvatsapashtner misht martu arats lav baner grantsumen astsun esk vat baner kam martu meghkna kamel satanai. Poghanak hekiatner mokonel aveli lave erakanutyun haskanal. Yev du norits ches patasghanum em tvats harts-Ura ait past vor hetevankner kan? Hayerits aveli astvatsapasht joghovurt dzvare dtnel baits mer astvatsapashtutian demats tes ench eghav hai joghovurtin jard-tsvrvelutiun-hamaira merank vorpes joghovurd. Ura ko past vor astvats ka yev yete ka enchpes karogha na ir pashtoghnerin toghni ait chakatagerov? Du mi moratsi vor menk vorpes joghovurt goyutunenk unetsel shat aveli yerkar kante ais astvats kamel kristonautiunn u me moratsi vor mer joghovurti amena ujegh yev hpart jamanakner yeghelen menchev ait kron intunel. Ai khntrem yes kez paster beretsi esk karoghes duel nuin anel?

[Hyreniq]

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Amen! to this.

no matter what goes on in this thread, my savoir and inspiration in my life will always be Jesus Christ:

[Mos]

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no matter what goes on in this thread, my savoir and inspiration in my life will always be Jesus Christ:

[Mos]

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Isk ura ait past vor hetevankner kan? Du teseles nman past kam karoghes artadrel da?

ba vonc karan hetevankner chlnen? ete du azatutyun unes u karas ko uzac voroshumner@ kayacnes, apa bnakan a, vor du vat voroshumner el kkayacnes. Ete cankacac mard ir kyankum sxal ban e anum, et ira mexkn a, voch te Astco.

[Eddo211]

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Turks made the men drop their pants to see if they are Christian......many circumcised for that reason.

[KanadaHye]

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And many Christians circumcise. Even if it was just a J ewish and Muslim practice it still proves my original point that religion often compels normal people to do stupid and cruel things.

Circumcision is largely practiced in America since it has a large J3wish influence in the hospitals. Christians in the old countries didn't typically circumcise their babies. It's not that common among Christians in Canada either. I know this because I used to work with wh0res

Seriously though, circumcision is a requirement of any male entering the military due to long periods of having little or no access to water.

[Artashes]

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I cannot remember book or author but do recall the point .
Tracing the rise of ancient civilizations, each one seemed to realize that the needed to claim a "Devine" authority. In one case I recall the ancient or earliest Philippines civilization that the initial ruler became aware that china was utilizing "Devine right" as the operating mode and so copied that to get the masses of people to do his will. This author traced this concept throughout early ancient startups of first civilizations.
It seems that people before formal organization had a sense of the Devine and to claim to be "the chosen one" was a way to get the masses of people to follow the one who desired power.
Artashes

[Siggie]

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If you want novel ideas, I suggest We by Yevgeny Zamyatin. It is generally considered to be the grandfather of the satirical futuristic dystopia genre. It takes the totalitarian and conformative aspects of modern industrial society to an extreme conclusion, depicting a state that believes that free will is the cause of unhappiness, and that citizens' lives should be controlled with mathematical precision based on the system of industrial efficiency created by Frederick Winslow Taylor.

He came a few decades later. My point is not to express value judgments here about the social and political commentary, but just that these are not new ideas because the literature reflects the society in which it was conceived and written.

[KanadaHye]

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I am reading Anna Karenina and interestingly enough, Tolstoy called a lot of what's been said are traditional values we should preserve "old-fashioned" in 1873. :-| So, it would appear these ideas may not be novel 21st century inventions.

If you want novel ideas, I suggest We by Yevgeny Zamyatin. It is generally considered to be the grandfather of the satirical futuristic dystopia genre. It takes the totalitarian and conformative aspects of modern industrial society to an extreme conclusion, depicting a state that believes that free will is the cause of unhappiness, and that citizens' lives should be controlled with mathematical precision based on the system of industrial efficiency created by Frederick Winslow Taylor.