How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

[Haykakan]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Kanadahye you are as skin deep as they come. Like you realy do not think religion had anything to do with the genocide? Then why were all the chrystians killed but not any of the muslims? Armenians, greeks, asssyrians.. all chrystians-dead or ran of but the kurds who were muslim were not harmed they were instead used ,even paid to kill us. Even now you hear about chrystians being killed in turky just because they are chrystians. This is typical argument style of religious folk - they throw a bunch of nonsense at you hoping something will stick.

[Siggie]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

You've got a point there. I'm more like a Union Representative.

Someday we're gonna have to do something about that chip on your shoulder. In the meantime, I deleted all the "Xanax" usernames as drug therapy and not even you will be able to get me upset.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Gegev, Mos, Hyreniq, Kanada, Pepsi, etc. are hardly representative of religious people, Christians, or even Armenians. We can disagree with them individually and not write off a whole group of people.

You've got a point there. I'm more like a Union Representative.

a=b
a2=ab --- 2 means squared
a2-b2=ab-b2
(a-b)(a+b)=b(a-b)

(a-b)(a+b)=b(a-b) ::: (a-b) on both sides is canceled
(a+b)=b
But a=b
Therefore
a+a=a
2a=a
hence
2=1

Enjoy your beer
Artashes

cute... so 0x2=1x0... Unfortunately, you can't cancel out 0s

[Artashes]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

"The story I told of Elija and Elisa are for the believers, the none believers are welcome by me to go have a beer and laugh your heads off.
To the non believers who tout "logic" --- there is a mathamaticle equation that if done correctly clearly shows that -- 1= 2"

I will have that beer but i doubt on my drunkest day 1=2

a=b
a2=ab --- 2 means squared
a2-b2=ab-b2
(a-b)(a+b)=b(a-b)

(a-b)(a+b)=b(a-b) ::: (a-b) on both sides is canceled
(a+b)=b
But a=b
Therefore
a+a=a
2a=a
hence
2=1

Enjoy your beer
Artashes

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Haykakan, don't you know any religious folks whom you find to be intelligent, reasonable,and non-subscribers to 18th century social conventions?

As opposed to 21st century social experiments?

Those who did the actual killing were muslims and used islam as a weapon against us. Islam to them justified our slaughter since we were not islamic people. It is too early to say if it worked or not because it is a part of an ongoing thing which may or may not end with the only armenian being in the museum. You can spin it any way you like but you cannot avoid the role religions play in human slaughter with thousends of years worth of evidence as proof-o but wait the religious folk don't care about things like proof, evidence, reason..it can be hard to keep this point in mind when talking to religious folk because they do have a head like the rest of us which i assume contains a brain which should be able to use reasoning..hey but all that is simply an assumption on my part i guess.

The Young Turks were hardly Turks or Muslim so I didn't even bother reading anything else you had to write. Those who did the killing were ordered to do so, it had nothing to do with their religion. They were most likely on drugs as well since it is well documented that the Ottoman military used drugs as forms of mind control.

[Haykakan]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Well it is the people you mentioned that i am conversing with here so... Surely there are somewhat inteligent, reasonable.... religious folk but you can't really be truely these things and still be a real religious person because of the inherent contradictions involved. Reason and religion do not go togather - not the common religions anyways. As for how i talk to them well its a lot better then how they have talked to me. I will try to be more civil but its hard to do when people call you names all the time.

[Siggie]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Haykakan, don't you know any religious folks whom you find to be intelligent, reasonable,and non-subscribers to 18th century social conventions? Because I know lots and I think your assertions to the contrary are starting to get into pot-calling-kettle-black territory because they're unreasonable and unkind. :-/ Gegev, Mos, Hyreniq, Kanada, Pepsi, etc. are hardly representative of religious people, Christians, or even Armenians. We can disagree with them individually and not write off a whole group of people.

[Haykakan]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Ok, off topic but, --- up here (northern Alaska) we just had 2 weeks of 15 - 20 below zero F , followed by 1week of 30 below F and then it jumped up to 29 above F and dumped 3-1/2 feet of snow in the last 2 days.
I'm playing hell with the roads and the multitude of poor driver skilled vehicles on the road.
By Friday it's supposed to drop down to 40 below zero F and by Saturday it's supposed to drop to 54 degrees below zero F.
Interesting but tough weather.
Anyway logic is not the panacea for all of earths(not to mention the rest of the universe(s) problems.
Sorry if none of that made any sense but trying to carry an ernest, open minded converstion by pushing buttons is not my strong point.
Artashes

Atleast you can go icefishing. Here in Michigan we are still waiting for Hell to freez over. Yes there is a town called Hell with a good fishing lake and we are waiting for it to freezover. And waiting, and waiting, and waiting.......

[Artashes]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Although once again I cannot(will not)at this time address in a straight forward blunt fashion(my style) this ?converstion? I feel compelled to say a few words.
In my opinion,neither side is anywhere close.
I don't have time to give an exact quote but will definitely get the message right.

--- I form the light and I make the dark.
--- I make good and I create evil.
--- I, the Lord do all these things.
--- let the heavens bow down in ---- RIGHTEOUSNESS ----

I expect nothing from the none believers.
Unfortunately I have come to expect even less from the believers(some rare exceptions).
In fact, from the believers I see more discord, misinformation , and self serving interests.
How sorry I am to say that.
The word rare has an exact and specific meaning.
The only two that are spoken of that did not die are --- Enoch and Elija.
In the case of Elija --- he performed a specific number of miracles. Elisa followed Elija and performed exactly twice as many miracles.
Before God personally came down and took Elija, Elija said --- I am not better than my fathers before me.
The story I told of Elija and Elisa are for the believers, the none believers are welcome by me to go have a beer and laugh your heads off.
To the non believers who tout "logic" --- there is a mathamaticle equation that if done correctly clearly shows that -- 1= 2
Damn, gotta go

Ok, off topic but, --- up here (northern Alaska) we just had 2 weeks of 15 - 20 below zero F , followed by 1week of 30 below F and then it jumped up to 29 above F and dumped 3-1/2 feet of snow in the last 2 days.
I'm playing hell with the roads and the multitude of poor driver skilled vehicles on the road.
By Friday it's supposed to drop down to 40 below zero F and by Saturday it's supposed to drop to 54 degrees below zero F.
Interesting but tough weather.
Anyway logic is not the panacea for all of earths(not to mention the rest of the universe(s) problems.
Sorry if none of that made any sense but trying to carry an ernest, open minded converstion by pushing buttons is not my strong point.
Artashes

[Haykakan]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

"The story I told of Elija and Elisa are for the believers, the none believers are welcome by me to go have a beer and laugh your heads off.
To the non believers who tout "logic" --- there is a mathamaticle equation that if done correctly clearly shows that -- 1= 2"

I will have that beer but i doubt on my drunkest day 1=2