Armenian lesbians/gays

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

It never ceases to amaze me how people who feel they are not in control of their lives (for whatever reason) are compelled to control the lives of others, namely the lives of women and children.

If men want women to stop sleeping around, then they, too, should stop sleeping around. First control your own urges (if you can...) and then insist that others do as well. But then, here's what happens. When sexual urges are not given opportunity for appropriate expression, they quickly morph into aggression, toward the self and toward others. That's where you get cultures, like the Taliban, who channel their sexual urges into aggression toward women who, they believe, are the cause of their distraction from the work of God. So, women are disgraced and stoned, or are forced to marry their rapists (with the implication that they had some agency in the rape just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time), or are locked into incestuous relationships with their elder male kinsmen. Yes, it's an extreme example that may not map onto the Armenian situation exactly, but it is one possible outcome of the kinds of things some men on this forum seem to be suggesting.

Please! I've seen how nice, honorable Armenian husbands have manhandled their wives.

Also, regarding the "American Dream", the nice thing about it is that all dreams are subject to interpretation. Each individual has his or her own dreams, and these things may not necessarily be contingent upon ownership or the amassing of property. The Native Americans had no concept of land ownership. Many languages still don't have indigenous words for private property, and if they do, they borrow from other languages. Ownership is not a prerequisite of a happy life. In fact, one could argue that ownership is what brings the kinds of headaches people deal with.

Interesting. So you somehow think that women and children shouldn't be bound to rules, everything appears out of thin air (cars, food, housing, etc.). Liberal thought never ceases to amaze me. I can also guarantee that you've never been to Afghanistan and haven't a clue what the "Taliban" are/were nor do you know the history of that region of the world or how/why the Taliban was funded and by whom.

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

It never ceases to amaze me how people who feel they are not in control of their lives (for whatever reason) are compelled to control the lives of others, namely the lives of women and children.

If men want women to stop sleeping around, then they, too, should stop sleeping around. First control your own urges (if you can...) and then insist that others do as well. But then, here's what happens. When sexual urges are not given opportunity for appropriate expression, they quickly morph into aggression, toward the self and toward others. That's where you get cultures, like the Taliban, who channel their sexual urges into aggression toward women who, they believe, are the cause of their distraction from the work of God. So, women are disgraced and stoned, or are forced to marry their rapists (with the implication that they had some agency in the rape just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time), or are locked into incestuous relationships with their elder male kinsmen. Yes, it's an extreme example that may not map onto the Armenian situation exactly, but it is one possible outcome of the kinds of things some men on this forum seem to be suggesting.

Please! I've seen how nice, honorable Armenian husbands have manhandled their wives.

Also, regarding the "American Dream", the nice thing about it is that all dreams are subject to interpretation. Each individual has his or her own dreams, and these things may not necessarily be contingent upon ownership or the amassing of property. The Native Americans had no concept of land ownership. Many languages still don't have indigenous words for private property, and if they do, they borrow from other languages. Ownership is not a prerequisite of a happy life. In fact, one could argue that ownership is what brings the kinds of headaches people deal with.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

When it comes to women sleeping around... Regardless of the moral implications, theres no way to stop it aside from parental education & applying indirect influence via the family unit or social circles. Many won't do it either way, and many will. In a way its fine to give women the same freedom as men. If we lived in a society where women were forced into social roles such as pretending to be decent, honest and caring, being pressured into marriages because they have no other male options, you will get many situations where later on in life the husband will find out the woman is actually none of those things and is living a double life behind his back. Instead of forcing women to be decent, honest & caring, and then later realizing they don't give a rats ass about any of those things, if women were able to choose their path in life from 0 to 100 and were open about it, we as men would be better able to figure out which women genuinely have these great characteristics: Hardly any

Characteristics and traits are inherited from parents and more broadly, society. If you left children to be raised by wolves, they would genuinely adopt those characteristics. As far as an individual choosing their path in life, the paths that someone can take are limited by the doors that others open or don't open for them. Essentially, a woman's ability to engage in extramarital affairs is largely due in part by society finding it acceptable. The culture that's being adopted around the world right now is temporary and unsustainable as there aren't enough resources available every individual to live in a bubble, free of being bound by family units and social circles. Basically, the breakdown of the family unit was just a precursor to enslaving the individual and robbing people of their inheritance, whether land or monetary. You'll find that in most of the larger cities, individuals have widely accepted that making monthly payments and leasing their living spaces is just part of life. I suppose one can say that the "American Dream" of owning property has come to an end... quite abruptly due to the breakdown of the family unit.

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

In regards to the original poster, she should do what makes her happy as long as she's with someone who is a positive influence in her life. If I had kids I would not want them to be gay for various reasons, but if they happened to be gay then they would still be my kids and I would feel the same love towards them as long as they chose someone who is clean, responsible and intelligent. She should tell her parents how she feels. That way, even if they reject her lifestyle and are upset towards her, at least she laid it out on the table and was honest about it. You can't control how other people feel.

In regards to all the other discussions.... where do I begin? I agree & disagree with every single person here depending on the topic. I personally don't see a problem with early-term abortions. Living in California and seeing all the teen pregnancies almost makes me wish abortion was mandatory in certain cases. Unwanted children are a cancer to society. People have kids and support them VERY loosely, or they support them financially but have zero emotional/personal connection with them. These kids grow up with a MUCH higher chance of being homeless, living a life of crime, being drug addicts, and just being jackasses in general. I feel like many people should not be allowed to procreate, both odars & Armenians alike. However, I accept that everyone is free to choose their own path and make their own mistakes. As long as they pay for those mistakes themselves and don't ask for my tax money to bail them out of their own stupidity.

When it comes to women sleeping around... Regardless of the moral implications, theres no way to stop it aside from parental education & applying indirect influence via the family unit or social circles. Many won't do it either way, and many will. In a way its fine to give women the same freedom as men. If we lived in a society where women were forced into social roles such as pretending to be decent, honest and caring, being pressured into marriages because they have no other male options, you will get many situations where later on in life the husband will find out the woman is actually none of those things and is living a double life behind his back. Instead of forcing women to be decent, honest & caring, and then later realizing they don't give a rats ass about any of those things, if women were able to choose their path in life from 0 to 100 and were open about it, we as men would be better able to figure out which women genuinely have these great characteristics: Hardly any

Very well said.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

In regards to the original poster, she should do what makes her happy as long as she's with someone who is a positive influence in her life. If I had kids I would not want them to be gay for various reasons, but if they happened to be gay then they would still be my kids and I would feel the same love towards them as long as they chose someone who is clean, responsible and intelligent. She should tell her parents how she feels. That way, even if they reject her lifestyle and are upset towards her, at least she laid it out on the table and was honest about it. You can't control how other people feel.

In regards to all the other discussions.... where do I begin? I agree & disagree with every single person here depending on the topic. I personally don't see a problem with early-term abortions. Living in California and seeing all the teen pregnancies almost makes me wish abortion was mandatory in certain cases. Unwanted children are a cancer to society. People have kids and support them VERY loosely, or they support them financially but have zero emotional/personal connection with them. These kids grow up with a MUCH higher chance of being homeless, living a life of crime, being drug addicts, and just being jackasses in general. I feel like many people should not be allowed to procreate, both odars & Armenians alike. However, I accept that everyone is free to choose their own path and make their own mistakes. As long as they pay for those mistakes themselves and don't ask for my tax money to bail them out of their own stupidity.

When it comes to women sleeping around... Regardless of the moral implications, theres no way to stop it aside from parental education & applying indirect influence via the family unit or social circles. Many won't do it either way, and many will. In a way its fine to give women the same freedom as men. If we lived in a society where women were forced into social roles such as pretending to be decent, honest and caring, being pressured into marriages because they have no other male options, you will get many situations where later on in life the husband will find out the woman is actually none of those things and is living a double life behind his back. Instead of forcing women to be decent, honest & caring, and then later realizing they don't give a rats ass about any of those things, if women were able to choose their path in life from 0 to 100 and were open about it, we as men would be better able to figure out which women genuinely have these great characteristics: Hardly any

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Ohhh... I missed one. Rapists.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

There are better "-ists" for you to copy generalization from. Try chauvinists, nationalists, antisemitists, racists, etc...

Ahaaaa... now you've caught on.

[Sip]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

... and if you don't agree, you can face my fists.

[Flamenkita]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

There are better "-ists" for you to copy generalization from. Try chauvinists, nationalists, antisemitists, racists, etc...

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian lesbians/gays

Please speak in the first person. And try to be consistent.

My apologies. For a second there I thought I could generalize like a feminist.