Iraq Quiz

[Darorinag]

Yes, basically 2/3 of my life...........

Tres Bien, the hostage takers are Shiites.

[Darorinag]

There are unbelieveably MANY parallels between the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the American invasion of Iraq. The Shiites played a big role in both.

[Anonymouse]

Anon, those "findings" still do not justify the way the Muslim fanatics are acting.

Nothing justifies anything. Certainly racial differences do not justify the way white skinheads act, or Christian fundamentalists, or what have you. Your argument is moot because you are essentially arguing with preconceived dislike of a selected group. The point is people do act that way, and fanaticism is prevalent in any group and any society, not just Muslims. Your obvious bias is seeping here.

No it does not. I have no particular dislike of Muslims. I dislike Jews more than I dislike Muslims. Besides, if you can claim that, I can always claim that your arguments stem from your dislike of USA and U.S. politics. How does that prove that your arguments are wrong?

I never denied I dislike U.S. politics. That's not much of a claim it's admitted fact. You still are in the dark with your alleged reasons for going to war.

"Some" Italian, huh? I can't believe this. If it were some "poor" Palestinian, it would've been soooooooooooooo evil and soooooooooo all over the front pages of newspapers. Get a life. A human life is a human life. Period. Take your third-world-is-more-valuable-because-they-are-underprivileged crap out of this thread.

The Italian is part of the coalition that is occupying Iraq therefore he is attacked. The Palestinian has his home occupied by an Israeli, I don't see how you can compare the two.

Where did I say that the U.S. is righteous? I don't in any way support the U.S. government, firstly because it's owned and run by zionists, secondly because they are a bunch of fundamentalist freaks who need to get a life instead of deciding who can marry who. I am only supportive of a war on fanatic Muslims. Use the oil propaganda.... that's great.. yeah.... what does that prove? How does that prove that this war is bad?

All wars are bad. There are innocent people on both sides for what is essentially a war for some political secret socities. Mind you Al-Qaeda is entirely an American creation, along with Saddam.

I never said USA cared for the Iraqis or wanted to "liberate" them per se. I said they are there for purely financial reasons.

And political don't forget.

But that is not relevant to my argument. I want a crackdown on Muslim fanatics as much as I want a crackdown on zionists as much as I want a crackdown on fundamentalist Christians. Equal opportunity.

Who cares what you want to crack down on. Someone should crack down on nationalist fanatics. People are going to exist no matter how, unless they use coercion on you, who are you to decide how someone wants to live. Iraq was a stable country, and the U.S. had to go and ruin it. You fail to understand that the more U.S. fights them the more terrorism it breeds. You add fuel to the fire. Your emotional crusade is irrational and purely stemming from your hatred of the Muslims, which is okay, but don't hide it.

I'm not in the States at any rate - thank God for saving me from such political idiots... At any rate, I think this war should be taken to the extreme and the fanatics finished off, since it's already started. Leaving it unfinished is the worst thing that can ever happen, both to Iraqis and Americans. I never supported the war to remove Saddam, because Saddam was actually pretty good in keeping the country in place amidst the Shiite warmongerers.

Definitely the extreme is exactly what Bumsfeld Bush and Sharon want, indeed. While you're at it don't forget the huge amounts of plutonium and uranium.

Oh puhleez.... can you get more predictable than that? Is that the only justification you have for "terrorism"? Look, buddy, wake the f*ck up. It's not just USA. They don't want Japan, Italy, Spain, Australia, etc. either. And those are not hugely imperialistic countries, mainly industrial, second-to-USA countries. They don't want anyone. They want to live alone, and they want to either kill or deport all non-Muslims, and then spread their religion from there. They want to live like nomads. And if they want to do that, fine, the U.S. should kick out all the Muslims from its country. Ditto for France, Britain, Spain, Australia, Italy, etc. Let's see how that will work. I can see that happening.

Opinions opinions yet more opinions. You have not addressed one thing my initial post raised other than your hatred of Muslims and based on that the war planners should go full throttle maximum speed ahead and use some nukes. As they say, opinions are like a55hole5, everyones got one.

[Darorinag]

The Italian is part of the coalition that is occupying Iraq therefore he is attacked. The Palestinian has his home occupied by an Israeli, I don't see how you can compare the two.

The Italian was not part of the military. That is a violation of the conventions of war.

The Palestinian has his home occupied by an Israeli, I don't see how you can compare the two.

That STILL does not justify using child soldiers or killing civilians. It does not. Not on the Israeli side, and certainly not on the Palestinian side. Both sides are wrong. Both sides claim to have the right, both using the "defense" justification, which is utter BS.

All wars are bad.

So is terrorism. Are we going to go allllllllllllll the way back and see who started the conflict between Muslims and USA?

People are going to exist no matter how, unless they use coercion on you, who are you to decide how someone wants to live.

More illogical "arguments" coming from you... There are people who are caught in between the two battling sides. And if they are Christians or Armenians or both, we have the responsibility to help them if they are being harassed. Or at least in my books.

Iraq was a stable country, and the U.S. had to go and ruin it.

Ummm, what about Sept. 11?

You fail to understand that the more U.S. fights them the more terrorism it breeds.

That is a load of BS. Look, fact is, they don't want that. They don't want U.S out. It is not THAT that they want. They want something else. Vietnam wanted U.S out. U.S went out. End of story. Not as simple in the Muslim case. You are using justifications that do not hold ground. I don't care what the U.S does, if they A-bomb Iraq to hell, I don't care (obviously that would make them criminals for targetting civilians), but that does NOT change the fact that the TERRORISTS' TARGETTING OF CIVILIANS IS WRONG. You want to have a war, go ahead, but don't bomb/kill civilians. And the eye for an eye policy is NOT a justification either.

Your emotional crusade is irrational and purely stemming from your hatred of the Muslims, which is okay, but don't hide it.

I am not hiding anything. I don't hate Muslims. I hate fanatics. I don't wish to interact with Muslims, but I don't have a problem with them either, if they don't shove their religion into my face.

Opinions opinions yet more opinions. You have not addressed one thing my initial post raised other than your hatred of Muslims and based on that the war planners should go full throttle maximum speed ahead and use some nukes. As they say, opinions are like a55hole5, everyones got one.

You are using emotional attack fallacies left and right, you know that, right? I don't hate the Muslims, and what I'm saying are facts. Anyone who knows a bit about Middle East history would know what I'm talking about. The Lebanon-Iraq parallels are HUGE. And like I said, Shiites played a HUGE HUGE role in BOTH. I understand that Arabs/Muslims are pissed off at USA and U.S. imperialist politics, but.... that is STILL NOT a justification for what they (Muslims) have done and are doing.

Again, you are seeking to justify Muslim militants' actions. I am not seeking to justify U.S actions and policies.

[Anonymouse]

The thread is about Iraq, not what you believe terrorism is or should be. The biggest sponsor of terrorism are America and Israel, and I only sought to try to give an understanding to the reaction offered by the Arabs, in this case the Iraqis. Your post has nothing to do with facts. It has everything to do with personal opinions.

[dstyle]

Israel is a terrorist state mang.

[Darorinag]

The thread is about Iraq, not what you believe terrorism is or should be.

The thread is about Iraq and USA and whether you like it or not, Muslims. So it is relevant. Stop trying to keep out of the thread whatever you doesn't do your argument any good.

The biggest sponsor of terrorism are America and Israel

That STILL does not justify Muslim terrorism.

and I only sought to try to give an understanding to the reaction offered by the Arabs, in this case the Iraqis.

There can be no logical or moral understanding of the way the Arabs are reacting. If they had targetted non-civilians, I would not be talking about this right now. But they are targetting civilians. I am not denying that USA and Israel do the same. Nor am I justifying their acts. But you are.

Your post has nothing to do with facts. It has everything to do with personal opinions.

On the contrary - my post is NOT biased at all. I am mentioning the wrongdoings of all sides and my view is that ANY targetting of civilians (be it by Americans, Israelis, or Arabs) is wrong. Even if it's a reaction or retaliation. NOT JUSTIFIED is the ANSWER.

[Anonymouse]

Nothing justifies Muslim terrorism, nor anything else in the world. Your point? They justify it themselves. That was not my intention of the thread but you keep jammering about it because without your argument is worthless. I only sought to give an understanding for the nth time. I presented facts. You presented opinions. My last question is, given the fallacious arguments presented, and the historic arguments I presented, why the hell is the U.S. in Iraq?

[Darorinag]

You never asked that question in the initial post, so it was justifiable for anyone to take it in any direction they thought was relevant. Obviously the issue is related to the Iraq war. We're talking about different things. I am not talking about how this war can be justified. Obviously it can't.

[Anonymouse]

But you believe simply because Muslims are fanatics they need to be warred on. That in itself cannot be justified. You yourself said it. I hope you aren't contradicting yourself now.