German mother hides murdered baby in freezer

[Siggie]

This thread is not about abortion people. That discussion has been had and belongs in the Intellectual forum.

[Sip]

Why is one a murder and the other isn't? A fetus IS, after all, ALIVE.... Just because it's not yet "born" doesn't mean it's not A LIVING THING.

You can't kill something that hasn't been born! That's like calling the girl that refused to have sex with me last night a murderer cause she denied our baby the right to life.

Dan, just think of the fetus as being black or jew. Then you'll see my point.

[Darorinag]

You can't kill something that hasn't been born!

You can kill anything that's alive. Just because it's sheltered in the womb doesn't mean it's not alive. So yes, you can kill something that hasn't been born, because the birth that we often talk about is not the measure of life or death.. real birth is CONCEPTION. The "birth" that we know of is only the coming out of the fetus from the womb.

This thread is not about abortion people. That discussion has been had and belongs in the Intellectual forum.

Oh please. Let's quit telling others what they should and should not talk about in a thread. This thread is about whatever I interpret it to be related to. And the hypocrisy of supporting abortion and then saying "this is sick" (re: killing a newborn) is not unrelated.

[Sip]

Sorry there cupcake ... birth = "The emergence and separation of offspring from the body of the mother". Therefore, "real birth" would be the "the real emergence and separation of offspring from the body of the mother". Flushing out the fetus before it's born is nothing more than popping a zit. It simply can't survive on it's own. Heck even a new born baby can't survive on it's own ... especially the ones that are stuffed in freezers.

So let's agree to disagree since this is one of those no it's this way no it's that way topics ... you don't abort any of your offspring (moot point in your case ) and in exchange, don't try to dictate what other people should do.

[Darorinag]

Flushing out the fetus before it's born is nothing more than popping a zit. It simply can't survive on it's own. Heck even a new born baby can't survive on it's own ...

That means it's alright to kill BOTH a fetus AND a newborn, right? Because they can't survive on their own.....

birth = "The emergence and separation of offspring from the body of the mother".

How does that prove that there is no life before birth? Are you saying the fetus is actually DEAD? If not, then wouldn't it mean that it's alive? And if yes, doesn't that mean that you can KILL it?

in exchange, don't try to dictate what other people should do.

Dictate? Who's dictating anyone? I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. Everyone is free to do what they want, but it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. And don't even start with the relativist arguments...

[Crimson Glow]

That means it's alright to kill BOTH a fetus AND a newborn, right? Because they can't survive on their own.....


How does that prove that there is no life before birth? Are you saying the fetus is actually DEAD? If not, then wouldn't it mean that it's alive? And if yes, doesn't that mean that you can KILL it?


Dictate? Who's dictating anyone? I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. Everyone is free to do what they want, but it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. And don't even start with the relativist arguments...

You go, boy!


Yeah, that whole argument of weather destroying a fetus is murder or not, is silly (not just what you brought up, Sea, but in general). There are plenty of elderly people who do, or are shortly going to need assistance in living. Should people be allowed to kill their parents, too, since to some, they're going to be a "burden I don't want to deal with", and then use the premise that this isn't murder since they're lifeless because they can't survive on their own? "They're no different then a fetus, your honor. They're not alive since they aren't self reliant. Thus, they have no life protecting legal rights. They're just useless, lifeless, disposable fetus. BOOya! I rest my case, your honor".

fe·tus [ ftəss ] (plural fe·tus·es)

noun

unborn offspring: an unborn vertebrate at a stage when all the structural features of the adult are recognizable, especially an unborn human offspring after eight weeks of development

I'd say that's a bit more than a zit waiting for some Clearasil, wouldn't you.




The argument really doesn't revolve around the legitimacy of life of an unborn child. The real debate is:

Pro abortion - "I have the right to do whatever I want to the life form, because it's inside my body, and I have control over my body".

Anti abortion - "It may be in your body, but you don't have the right to do what you want to a life form other than yourself".


Anyway, guys. Siggie's right. We already had a long, drawn out thread about this, and this is just a scratch on the surface of what we got into on that thread. We're just going to wined up having a repeat thread (of something other than religion for once).

[manicdvln]

At least she had the courtesy of keeping the evidence intact.

[loseyourname]

Dan, just think of the fetus as being black or jew. Then you'll see my point.

Please don't make these little cheap shots. You're better than that.

[hyebruin]

wowwww! this thread is still open!! and it's been over 2 pages

[SagGal]

I was really surprised when I heard about that. If she went through the agonizing pain to bring her child into this world, why on Earth did she kill him? She could have put him up for adoption. I don't get it.

wowwww! this thread is still open!! and it's been over 2 pages

Actually, it's not over two pages and with that kind of post, I won't be surprised if it gets closed now. No offense.