armenians fighting armenians

[Darorinag]

i dont know any rabiz people. i'm 29 years old and i grew up here since i was 4, its the ignorance and kids like you that gives us a bad name

If you really cared about our 'bad name', you would know who REALLY gives us a bad name. Just ask any non-Armenian (and non-black) living in L.A, and you'll get your answer. But ignorance IS bliss, or so it goes... "Don't worry, be happy" and certainly, don't see who's killing who among the Armenians.

[gevo]

I dont see any hatred in the armenian community. where do you people live huh?

HAHAHA.. I thik this may be due to the saying "3rd's a crowd".. so.. the question is where do U live?? eh? EHH!!!?????

[Tres Bien]

I too live on earth.

[jgm1975]

human nature is selfish...it's only those brief moments of enlightenment that are too few and too far in between when we are our higher selves--become more God like and shed our egos and see all humanity as one, the way it is, that no person is better or worse than another, that we are all connected by love, the fabric of the universe that binds all.

I agree entirely. One thought-provoking question though. Would this apply to Jews and Turks as well? Since joining the forum, I have seen so much hate toward Jews and Turks that I am afraid that we might be a nation filled with hatred, which would make us lose all the good-will we have acquired from non-Armenians. If there are two lessons that the tragedy of the Armenian Genocide should teach us, they are:

1) Committing any type of harm towards a fellow Armenian is the greatest fault of all.

2) Hate should be rejected in all its forms, because to be filled with hate means being like those who perpetrated the Armenian Genocide, since they themselves were filled with hate.

Yet I see the opposite. Armenians being envious of other Armenians, great political and cultural divisions among Armenians, even in the Diaspora, and a lot of extreme hatred towards Jews and Turks. Political disagreement with Jews and Turks is OK and acceptable. I also resent Turkey's denial of the Armenian Genocide and some of the policies of Israel. But does it justify hate? I do not think so.

I am sure that many will criticise me with intensity, but so be it. I take the criticism of a person filled with hate with as much indifference as I take the barking of a dog.

[Anonymouse]

I agree entirely. One thought-provoking question though. Would this apply to Jews and Turks as well? Since joining the forum, I have seen so much hate toward Jews and Turks that I am afraid that we might be a nation filled with hatred, which would make us lose all the good-will we have acquired from non-Armenians. If there are two lessons that the tragedy of the Armenian Genocide should teach us, they are:

1) Committing any type of harm towards a fellow Armenian is the greatest fault of all.

2) Hate should be rejected in all its forms, because to be filled with hate means being like those who perpetrated the Armenian Genocide, since they themselves were filled with hate.

Yet I see the opposite. Armenians being envious of other Armenians, great political and cultural divisions among Armenians, even in the Diaspora, and a lot of extreme hatred towards Jews and Turks. Political disagreement with Jews and Turks is OK and acceptable. I also resent Turkey's denial of the Armenian Genocide and some of the policies of Israel. But does it justify hate? I do not think so.

I am sure that many will criticise me with intensity, but so be it. I take the criticism of a person filled with hate with as much indifference as I take the barking of a dog.

I have always been critical of Jews and of Israel, and at times even made fun of them. But then again I make fun of everything. I do not, however, hate Jews. Armenians can learn more from them than themselves. Nor do I hate Turks, despite making a humor thread about Turkey. I don't think anyone on the Genocide forum ever said the hate Turks, other than one or two people. Do not construe disagreements or humor with hate.

[SagGal]

Since when does Elie Wiesel speak for all the Jews?

why is that that we hurt each other, why do we hate each other, we are one of the 3 original languages that has never changed in history, our people have been raped killed, burned but we stayed strong and survived, but now we have armenians fighting armenians, shooting each other, robbing each other, hating each other, u have one life to live, live it with love in ur heart all the time, not just for our race, for all races. i been through hell and back. i seen friends die from gang violence, i've been shot, stabbed, and even sat in prison for 8 years, but god kept me around for a reason. The reason, i dont know yet. butuntill then i wont stop loving this world and living in it with love in my heart. if everyone shares their love with everyone they meet, then it spreads to everyone around them and to everyone around the other people. its starts with you, even if someone hates you, show them love back. it wont make u weaker person, its makes u a better person. so spread the love. not the hate, cuz u never know when god will call ur name to his side. and love ur family unconditionally cuz u neve know when god takes them away from you. i live in regret cuz my father passed away while i was in prison. i cant make it up to him and i live with that everyday. i cant see his face to tell me that he is proud of me now that i'm doing good. but have the saddness in ur heart like me. and that is the reason why i love everyone around. so love each other so u could reserve ur place next to god

Nicely said.

[angelik22]

Stop The Madness!!

[jgm1975]

It is normal for people of the same ethnic group to disagree. There are a lot of disagreements among the French, Italians, etc. But the question, getting back to the very first post of the thread, is whether we Armenians are mature enough to handle disagreements. What really bothers me, is that the factionalism and disagreements among Armenians get to a point where it becomes really counter-productive. I live in Canada, where the rivalry between the Catholicosates of Cilicia and Etchmiadzin is worse than the rivalry between Pepsi and Coke. At the Dashnak-run and other parti-run schools, kids of 6, 7, 8 years-old are indoctrinated with parti propaganda, about how their parti saved Armenia from annihilation. Kids at that age should learn about reading and writing. There must be more national solidarity among Armenians. When an Armenian is a member of the Catholicosate of Cilicia or Etchmiadzin, before being a God-loving soul, something is wrong. When an Armenian sees another Armenian as a rival rather than a compatriot, something is wrong. When an Armenian likes to dwell on the misfortunes afflicting another Armenian instead of sympathizing with him, something is wrong. Why is it that whenever we come across another Armenian at a shopping mall, for example, our first reaction is "Do not speak loud they are Armenian". Where is the self-respect? Are we ashamed of ourselves to a point where we have an unconscious hatred of ourselves? I think that all of this is, again, the result of what we are thought. Growing up as a child, nobody told me about how Armenians where a nation of 3,000 years, about how we were great fighters to the point where the Byzantines transplanted whole Armenian villages from Armenia into the Byzantine Empire, so that they could have a pool of Armenian soldiers. Armenians gave 20 Emperors to the Byzantine Empire. Think about it. They were Emperors that were worshiped and feared, not some loud-mouth losers turning shish-kebabs on the grill. I was never thought that Armenians, as the cultural and linguistic interface between the Greeks and the Persians, are the bridge between East and West. Our cultural wealth derives from our dual Western and Eastern legacies, which makes us a model-nation, since we embody harmony between different sides, instead of conflict. Instead, I was thought mostly about the Genocide, about how to chant "echec millet Turk millet" when I went to an April 24th rally when I was 7 or 8, and about how the "other" Armenian school in the city was really bad. Anyway, I still think that there is hope. Since our current Armenian "leaders", both in the Diaspora and Armenia are so unworthy, Armenians are seldom listening to them, which is already a good start.

[Anonymouse]

It is normal for people of the same ethnic group to disagree. There are a lot of disagreements among the French, Italians, etc. But the question, getting back to the very first post of the thread, is whether we Armenians are mature enough to handle disagreements. What really bothers me, is that the factionalism and disagreements among Armenians get to a point where it becomes really counter-productive. I live in Canada, where the rivalry between the Catholicosates of Cilicia and Etchmiadzin is worse than the rivalry between Pepsi and Coke. At the Dashnak-run and other parti-run schools, kids of 6, 7, 8 years-old are indoctrinated with parti propaganda, about how their parti saved Armenia from annihilation. Kids at that age should learn about reading and writing. There must be more national solidarity among Armenians. When an Armenian is a member of the Catholicosate of Cilicia or Etchmiadzin, before being a God-loving soul, something is wrong. When an Armenian sees another Armenian as a rival rather than a compatriot, something is wrong. When an Armenian likes to dwell on the misfortunes afflicting another Armenian instead of sympathizing with him, something is wrong. Why is it that whenever we come across another Armenian at a shopping mall, for example, our first reaction is "Do not speak loud they are Armenian". Where is the self-respect? Are we ashamed of ourselves to a point where we have an unconscious hatred of ourselves? I think that all of this is, again, the result of what we are thought. Growing up as a child, nobody told me about how Armenians where a nation of 3,000 years, about how we were great fighters to the point where the Byzantines transplanted whole Armenian villages from Armenia into the Byzantine Empire, so that they could have a pool of Armenian soldiers. Armenians gave 20 Emperors to the Byzantine Empire. Think about it. They were Emperors that were worshiped and feared, not some loud-mouth losers turning shish-kebabs on the grill. I was never thought that Armenians, as the cultural and linguistic interface between the Greeks and the Persians, are the bridge between East and West. Our cultural wealth derives from our dual Western and Eastern legacies, which makes us a model-nation, since we embody harmony between different sides, instead of conflict. Instead, I was thought mostly about the Genocide, about how to chant "echec millet Turk millet" when I went to an April 24th rally when I was 7 or 8, and about how the "other" Armenian school in the city was really bad. Anyway, I still think that there is hope. Since our current Armenian "leaders", both in the Diaspora and Armenia are so unworthy, Armenians are seldom listening to them, which is already a good start.

That was beautiful, but it isn't anything we haven't heard of. We all know it, yet it persists simply because that's just the way it's supposed to be.

[Emil]

Let's try this again.