Bush-Kerry Debate

[patlajan]

The past 4 years, the aBush administration had a Republican congress to come up with a plan, legislate it, pass it thru congress and put the Presidents signature on it.

They failed.

Maybe medicare reform was slipping your mind when you wrote that. Those who qualify for medicare can pick a private insurance plan, for the first time ever.

[patlajan]

1)The government is limiting the testing of the drugs.

2)The pharmaceutical companies don't want to make public the research and the findings for cures. They make money off of the drugs they sell to stabilize a disease someone may have. This is widely noted as a conspiracy theory, but why should they cut their own profits?

It's a dirty and corrupt industry. No matter what the situation is, the corrupt practices will continue. It's all tied in with insurance and pharm. companies.

And you have 4 relatives that are pharmacists, and another that's a pharm company executive. Are your relatives in on it too?

[HyeJinx1984]

Is it just me or does Kerry look half asleep? Wake up man!

[HyeJinx1984]

So my dad (named John) went up to my cousin and said "so who're you going to vote for?" and she said "Oh I don't know yet..." to which my dad replies "You should vote for me" my cousin says "huh?" my dad says "You should vote for your John Keri"

[Anonymouse]

It's funny how the candidates speak with tongues in twos, larded with saintly oils, about how they both propose big fat lusty claims of things they want to implement or ought to do, and mention numbers, statistics, promises and dates such as 2075. Neither candidate has offered much in substance or honesty, yet the voters make themselves believe that 'no politician is honest', yet are their biggest and most hoplessly dependent supporters. In an age where personal responsiblity and intellectual freedom are bankrupt, and dependency on political systems is at an all time high, you will see voters rationalize how 'politicians lie' and are a 'necessary evil', and while acknowledging that, they go on to vote for these same people, in essence tying themselves to this vice which they are aware of. What does that tell you about the hopelessly bleak state of what we call 'ethics' in the age of voter self-esteem? It doesn't matter much, so long as 'your guy' wins, thereby reaffirming your voter self-esteem. As a voter reads this, they might even attempt to rationalize that as some witty humor and offer a " " in response, usually indicating their utter lack of principle, integrity and reason. As I sit here listening to how Bush and Kerry are talking about religion and 'faith" and "love thy neighbor", I can't help but realize how all their actions as politicians are the exactly opposite of what they preach. Kerry may say "integrity, integrity, integrity" all he wants, yet that is exactly what he will never have, except in the delusional minds of voters. As Bush makes pompous claims about "promoting life" he is doing the exact opposite in Iraq.

The great economist, and political philosopher F. A. Hayek logically demolished the notion of the modern state and centrally controlled systems. His main point was that no government bureaucrat could ever effectively make decisions for other people because it is impossible to process all of the information that goes into other people's decision-making, yet if you pay attention to the debates the candidates are attempting to do just that. No Roman in 125 AD thought that one day Rome would be swept off the face of the earth, and loftily proclaimed futures and promises and visions of years to come. Bolshevism claimed that it would bring an earthly utopia for all eternity, not far from 'a thousand year Reich' of what Hitler spoke, and not far from Kerry or Bush talking about "dreams" and "journies" and "2075" or "2050" or what other date they may talk about. Just as no one predicted Rome would one day fall to do it's internal exhaustion of trying to control variables that only become complex over time, just like the inability of the Soviet Union to try to control the many complex variables that only increase over time, the United States itself is walking down the same path, sadly. All systems become complex over time, and as the second law of thermodynamics gives insight into our world, and how all systems move toward disorder and chaos, due to more complexities, and yet when we try to continue in the same path of controlling these complexities, it only proves deleterious. The average Roman wouldn't believe one day their system would collapse, just like my parents never envisioned a world without the Soviet Union. America's turn is slowly coming, if continued on the present path.

People don't seem to learn how all attempts at trying to control have resulted in unsatisfactory results when one person sought to make decisions for others, even when supposedly acting with their best interests at heart. There will always be those among us, like the shape shifting politicians in the form of Kerries and Bushes, Skull and Bonesmen or Hilary Clintons, who wish to manipulate our lives and always, we are assured, for our benefit rather than for the joy they take in the exercise, but the results are seldom pretty and never what the manipulators intended. Yet people do not seem to be attuned to their strongest gift, and that is their ability to think. Is logic and reason really that far off from people? Is it simply a lack of reason and principle when someone states that "Government is a necessary evil", or "All politicians lie", yet goes on to support this system? Is it simply a willingness to 'be a part of the circues' such as voting blocs, and voter self-esteem? The belief that you can make things better by the same system which thrives on our fears and our dark sides, is illusory at best. Many people claim that they are of the persuasion to 'live and let live', yet they do not act what they preach, and not necessarily consciously. It's almost as if it is a dissociative state of being. Surely no voter wants to be associated ( at least consciously ) with murder, oppression, theft, but they are, indirectly and unconsciously, because politics is just that, since it mobilizes our fears and dark sides into that one destructive force. Perhaps before we try to tell other people what to do, whether at home or abroad, we should instead try to hold up an ethic, instead of the ballot or the stupid pins people wear after voting that says "I voted", which to me indicates something more like a mind control chip, except it is not under the skin or implanted in the brain, it is out there for all rational people to distinguish themselves from the sheep.

[gevo]

It's funny how the candidates speak with tongues in twos, larded with saintly oils, about how they both propose big fat lusty claims of things they want to implement or ought to do, and mention numbers, statistics, promises and dates such as 2075. Neither candidate has offered much in substance or honesty, yet the voters make themselves believe that 'no politician is honest', yet are their biggest and most hoplessly dependent supporters. In an age where personal responsiblity and intellectual freedom are bankrupt, and dependency on political systems is at an all time high, you will see voters rationalize how 'politicians lie' and are a 'necessary evil', and while acknowledging that, they go on to vote for these same people, in essence tying themselves to this vice which they are aware of. What does that tell you about the hopelessly bleak state of what we call 'ethics' in the age of voter self-esteem? It doesn't matter much, so long as 'your guy' wins, thereby reaffirming your voter self-esteem. As a voter reads this, they might even attempt to rationalize that as some witty humor and offer a " " in response, usually indicating their utter lack of principle, integrity and reason. As I sit here listening to how Bush and Kerry are talking about religion and 'faith" and "love thy neighbor", I can't help but realize how all their actions as politicians are the exactly opposite of what they preach. Kerry may say "integrity, integrity, integrity" all he wants, yet that is exactly what he will never have, except in the delusional minds of voters. As Bush makes pompous claims about "promoting life" he is doing the exact opposite in Iraq.

The great economist, and political philosopher F. A. Hayek logically demolished the notion of the modern state and centrally controlled systems. His main point was that no government bureaucrat could ever effectively make decisions for other people because it is impossible to process all of the information that goes into other people's decision-making, yet if you pay attention to the debates the candidates are attempting to do just that. No Roman in 125 AD thought that one day Rome would be swept off the face of the earth, and loftily proclaimed futures and promises and visions of years to come. Bolshevism claimed that it would bring an earthly utopia for all eternity, not far from 'a thousand year Reich' of what Hitler spoke, and not far from Kerry or Bush talking about "dreams" and "journies" and "2075" or "2050" or what other date they may talk about. Just as no one predicted Rome would one day fall to do it's internal exhaustion of trying to control variables that only become complex over time, just like the inability of the Soviet Union to try to control the many complex variables that only increase over time, the United States itself is walking down the same path, sadly. All systems become complex over time, and as the second law of thermodynamics gives insight into our world, and how all systems move toward disorder and chaos, due to more complexities, and yet when we try to continue in the same path of controlling these complexities, it only proves deleterious. The average Roman wouldn't believe one day their system would collapse, just like my parents never envisioned a world without the Soviet Union. America's turn is slowly coming, if continued on the present path.

People don't seem to learn how all attempts at trying to control have resulted in unsatisfactory results when one person sought to make decisions for others, even when supposedly acting with their best interests at heart. There will always be those among us, like the shape shifting politicians in the form of Kerries and Bushes, Skull and Bonesmen or Hilary Clintons, who wish to manipulate our lives and always, we are assured, for our benefit rather than for the joy they take in the exercise, but the results are seldom pretty and never what the manipulators intended. Yet people do not seem to be attuned to their strongest gift, and that is their ability to think. Is logic and reason really that far off from people? Is it simply a lack of reason and principle when someone states that "Government is a necessary evil", or "All politicians lie", yet goes on to support this system? Is it simply a willingness to 'be a part of the circues' such as voting blocs, and voter self-esteem? The belief that you can make things better by the same system which thrives on our fears and our dark sides, is illusory at best. Many people claim that they are of the persuasion to 'live and let live', yet they do not act what they preach, and not necessarily consciously. It's almost as if it is a dissociative state of being. Surely no voter wants to be associated ( at least consciously ) with murder, oppression, theft, but they are, indirectly and unconsciously, because politics is just that, since it mobilizes our fears and dark sides into that one destructive force. Perhaps before we try to tell other people what to do, whether at home or abroad, we should instead try to hold up an ethic, instead of the ballot or the stupid pins people wear after voting that says "I voted", which to me indicates something more like a mind control chip, except it is not under the skin or implanted in the brain, it is out there for all rational people to distinguish themselves from the sheep.

I just think you say you dont care, yet you care and talk to much. :P

[patlajan]

I just think you say you dont care, yet you care and talk to much. :P

He's busy trying to impress himself.

[GSTracer05]

Is it just me or did Kerry not get enough sleep the evening before? The dude was half asleep throughout the debate. Reminded me of Gore.

[Anonymouse]

I just think you say you dont care, yet you care and talk to much. :P

Don't care for what, telling other people what to do? That is not my concern. I don't care about voting, I do care about the state of society and the effects that I will live in due to the mindless actions of others, like Patlajan, or jilbaaa aa aaa aa kh ( sheep ).

[Anonymouse]

hmmm
Anonymouse
please DO tell!
why did you watch the debate if you don't care about democracy and the presidential elections??

This is non-sequitur since it assumes that somehow if someone watches the debates, they have to care about it. Don't use fallacious reasoning. I watch to use their own arguments to prove my points, and more importantly, I watch for amusement and humor.

on the other hand... HOW AWESOME WAS KERRY TONIGHT????
wow
I was lucky enough to watch it with a buncha students... and OH MY GOD have we cracked up more than a dozen times....
too bad Bush isn't here, otherwise I'd REALLY wanna hear another one of his sentences starting with "education......" lllllllllllol
is he NOT getting it???
megha asdoodzo.

Oh my God! Another mindless voter! Eureka! You're, like, only the 265th million person with that view!