The youth is...

[jahannam]

not to mention... another main reason is for the US to have a nice base somewhere real close to "Israel", so in the near future, they could eliminate Palestine...
the main reason for any misunderstanding in the middle east is the Israel/Palestine issue...
I'm a racist and I hate jews :twisted:

[mizzcharagigi]

i can almost feel surferarmo's heart stopping... i mean after he reads this...lol

[surferarmo]

The war on Iraq wasn't just for oil, it was to contend the rising status of the Euro replacing the dollar as the major currency, to get the untapped oil reserves of the region, and gain a strategic foothold for U.S. and Israeli hegemony. That is all. Any other reason for this war is pure bunk and illusive and if anyone believes the reason for the war, then that only shows how far acts of subterfuge and propaganda can go.

This response if for both Anon, and Jahhanam.


We already discussed this in some other thread. There are market interests here, that cause us to work in favor of Israel. The xxxxin jews on the news is what it is. (hey that rhymes). No politician or corporation wants bad publicity. The jews have strong exchange power. People buy the newspaper, they buy cable and watch the news. If a politician, as we discussed were to speak out agianst the interest of Israel, it would be political suicide.

Contrary to what you might think Anon, i am not so willing to trust the government. That is why I care about politics. You just view government from a philosophical perspective, arising questions that will bring more questions that will never lead to the light at the end of the tunnel. I am willing to work from the inside out, rather than take a stance saying the world is like the matrix and evrything is going down the xxxx pipes anyway. Well, people like me can slow that down.

Not to sound tough or bad ass, but I have met many politicians. I have met many Republican politicians, and right wing celebrities. Some are very well known, and you would be surprised at my relationship with them. My point is that I have experience with politics, and the practical side, there IS a more practical side to politics than your conspiracy theories will allow you to think. I have experience with people involved in the field and I can tell you that they aren much different than myself or most people on this forum. There are many things these people do which effect your life as you know it.

Jahhanam, Politicians are not just talk, that is a popular illusion and very ignorant in stance. You probably just turn on the TV and here them say something. Just because you dont see something, or you dont notice the implementation, does not mean that nothing is happening. And from talking with all these guys, I see the work they do. That xxxx is complex. If they were all talk, why are we going to war?

Jahhanam, unfortunetly this is the only serious topic on the thread. I am willing to partake if you have anything that in mind that includes serious discussion. Everything on this so far has been just been plain fun. I like fun. No one is good at fun. No one will win this thread, not even me. Its not about winning, its about persuasion. The reason you dont care, is because of you ignorance. I understand why you dont care about politics, its because you are not responsible, or knowledgable for what goes on. Do you know why I care about politics? Obviously not. It is funny to see your posts though. I could seriously write a 5 page essay explaining how you actually do care about politics from your post's.

So Jahhanam I have two questions for you. DO you know why I care about politics? and Why dont you care about politics? It seems you do, but I want to know why you say you dont.

[Anonymouse]

The war on Iraq wasn't just for oil, it was to contend the rising status of the Euro replacing the dollar as the major currency, to get the untapped oil reserves of the region, and gain a strategic foothold for U.S. and Israeli hegemony. That is all. Any other reason for this war is pure bunk and illusive and if anyone believes the reason for the war, then that only shows how far acts of subterfuge and propaganda can go.

This response if for both Anon, and Jahhanam.


We already discussed this in some other thread. There are market interests here, that cause us to work in favor of Israel. The xxxxin jews on the news is what it is. (hey that rhymes). No politician or corporation wants bad publicity. The jews have strong exchange power. People buy the newspaper, they buy cable and watch the news. If a politician, as we discussed were to speak out agianst the interest of Israel, it would be political suicide.

Contrary to what you might think Anon, i am not so willing to trust the government. That is why I care about politics. You just view government from a philosophical perspective, arising questions that will bring more questions that will never lead to the light at the end of the tunnel. I am willing to work from the inside out, rather than take a stance saying the world is like the matrix and evrything is going down the xxxx pipes anyway. Well, people like me can slow that down.

Not to sound tough or bad ass, but I have met many politicians. I have met many Republican politicians, and right wing celebrities. Some are very well known, and you would be surprised at my relationship with them. My point is that I have experience with politics, and the practical side, there IS a more practical side to politics than your conspiracy theories will allow you to think. I have experience with people involved in the field and I can tell you that they aren much different than myself or most people on this forum. There are many things these people do which effect your life as you know it.

Jahhanam, Politicians are not just talk, that is a popular illusion and very ignorant in stance. You probably just turn on the TV and here them say something. Just because you dont see something, or you dont notice the implementation, does not mean that nothing is happening. And from talking with all these guys, I see the work they do. That xxxx is complex. If they were all talk, why are we going to war?

Jahhanam, unfortunetly this is the only serious topic on the thread. I am willing to partake if you have anything that in mind that includes serious discussion. Everything on this so far has been just been plain fun. I like fun. No one is good at fun. No one will win this thread, not even me. Its not about winning, its about persuasion. The reason you dont care, is because of you ignorance. I understand why you dont care about politics, its because you are not responsible, or knowledgable for what goes on. Do you know why I care about politics? Obviously not. It is funny to see your posts though. I could seriously write a 5 page essay explaining how you actually do care about politics from your post's.

So Jahhanam I have two questions for you. DO you know why I care about politics? and Why dont you care about politics? It seems you do, but I want to know why you say you dont.

That the war was fought for the reasons I listed has nothing to do with philosophy. You keep jammering about the philosophy part by labeling it as "having to do with philosoophy". The fact that the war on Iraq was illegal on all its faces, the reasons for it fall to the ground when exposed to the rules of logic and scrutiny. It's good that you are not trusty of the government, for I thought otherwise before you clarified it. You want to do something about the government, but I on the other hand think it is insignificant what we do or try to do because there are and have been already established powers that have long been running the show from behind the curtains and realize that certain things happen because they are allowed to happen for whatever odd reason. Again this goes back to what you adhere to, either a conspiratorial world view, or the accidental. As for Jews having all that market power, you better believe it. Do you know that the whole idea of the modern credit system in capitalism is because of Jews? Interest or the idea of credit with interest, or usury, for want of a better name, is practiced in the Talmud. It originates with them. In it they were taught to loan money to the goyim, or gentiles, with usury, and profit off of them. Now the whole world is enslaved to this idea. That is the principle that the Federal Reserve, the Bank of England, the Bank of Canada, the IMF, the World Bank, Germany, France, etc., all work under.

As for the "5 page essay explaining how you actually do care about politics from your post's" it's like the adage when someone disagrees with homosexuality we are said that 'we are all gay but we don't know it'.

[surferarmo]

Thanks for offending me. I will be expecting an aplogy.

[Anonymouse]

Where did I offend?

[jahannam]

So Jahhanam I have two questions for you. DO you know why I care about politics? and Why dont you care about politics? It seems you do, but I want to know why you say you dont.

You're drawn into politics because you've been led to believe that you, as an individual, are incapable of changing the way things are, yet at the same time, you envision of a world that you yearn to make real for everyone...you seek to see the weak cherished and the strong aware and responsible...
when it comes to me or people like me, it's not so much that we don't care, it's more that when we examine something like the candidacies of George W. Bush and Al Gore (and I'm not being negative, I'm just trying to help here), they seem so typical of everything limited, corrupt, shortsighted and doomed about their respective parties, that we'd just rather not think about them.

[Dorobo]

Due to my excessive lazyness, i have failed to read anything but the first post here. So, i will say this. The reason I dont vote is so i can blame other people if something goes wrong. We get in a nuclear war, i say "hey, you put the xxxxer in office. Nice work, jackass." And they run away. Good work Dorobo.

*pats self on back*

[Anonymouse]

Due to my excessive lazyness, i have failed to read anything but the first post here. So, i will say this. The reason I dont vote is so i can blame other people if something goes wrong. We get in a nuclear war, i say "hey, you put the xxxxer in office. Nice work, jackass." And they run away. Good work Dorobo.

*pats self on back*

Nice rip off of a George Carlin joke hahaha. You shouldn't say that around me as I am a die hard Carlin fan.

[surferarmo]

Where did I offend?

You did not offend. Jahhanam did. I hate it when these self righteous people tell other people that their posts are measly.

We already had this convo, and this if for JAHHANAM. Look. There have only been a few threads on this forum that should have been taken seriously. The "Going home post," some of the political threads that I put up, and the virgin thread. Everything else, including some of my threads were nothing but insignificant jokes. Nothing but jokes. So I wonder, where do people get off saying that my posts were measly. I will tell where the get off. They do this so they can feel better about themselves because they have been proven unable to participate in serious discussion, and therefore result to insults by saying my posts suck. If Jahhanam looked at all her posts, there has not been one significant one, until the one posted above this one. This goes for a lot of people, even me. A lot of my posts are just stupid jokes. There have not been any topics worth arguing over seriously. So give something besides politics, and I will give it a whack, otherwise...dont judge me.

So people I will tell you to cut the xxxx. I like the sarcasm, but telling someone they have nothing to say is dumb, when there hasnt been any topic posted worth seriously talking about. Thank you.