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What Do You Think About Horoscopes?

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  • #11
    Re: What Do You Think About Horoscopes?

    I saw James Randi, who is a much MUCH cooler debunker than the arrogant and ignorantly articulated Penn & Teller, debunking horoscopes. He actually used to have a show on Discovery debunking magic and stuff ... it was cool ! Anyway he went to a class in a university and handed out ppls horoscopes according to which zodiac sign they were born into. He asked the class to read their horoscope and then asked if they thought it applied to who they were or how they envisioned themselves (probably not a daily horoscope but a horoscope profile) ... the entire class raised their hands. Next he asked them to swap their horoscope with the person sitting next to them ... the class laughed as everybody received the same thing from the beginning! He then went on to explain how any broad sweeping generalities will work as our brain has a tendency to create an understanding for ourselves in circumstances like those or also when you open a fortune cookie.

    Having said that I enjoy a real horoscope which entails much more than your average paper driven "which month were you born in?" profile. Apparently for a true horoscope it's important to know where you were born and at what time as that will change the outcome of your predictions. Also if you were born on the cusp then you will have character traits for two zodiac signs. I've had one of those done on the interweb and it was scarily accurate with acute information and far less broad sweeping generalities. You can find sites like that for free on the interweb here and there ... my sister was and probably still is into the real deal horoscope and that's why I know all this stuff about them.

    Now biorhythms are FOR REALZZ!!
    Last edited by Lamb Boy; 10-28-2006, 06:03 AM.

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    • #12
      Re: What Do You Think About Horoscopes?

      Originally posted by Sip
      Jen, here's the math I did to come up with that statement:

      Page 1
      Page 2

      LOL

      I believe you now Sip (btw, what are your predictions for today? I'm a Scorpio)

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      • #13
        Re: What Do You Think About Horoscopes?

        Sip, shame on you for using your calculus class notes to push your anti-horoscope agenda.

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        • #14
          Re: What Do You Think About Horoscopes?

          I personally believe not in horoscope but in hororscope. For example, my (and every other soul's) horrorscope predicts that sometimes in the near or far future, I will have pain, suffering and some horror. Dead on.

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          • #15
            Re: What Do You Think About Horoscopes?

            I WAS BORN UNTO THE PERFECT ALIGNMENT OF ALL OF THE PLANETS IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM!! MUHAHAHAHahahaaaa!!!

            ... er back when Pluto was still considered a planet! Was Pluto ever really considered a celestial body by the creators of the zodiacs or was it an add on when we hooked up with the telescope? See the zodiac ppl had it right all along now didn't they?

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            • #16
              Re: What Do You Think About Horoscopes?

              Originally posted by Lamb Boy
              I WAS BORN UNTO THE PERFECT ALIGNMENT OF ALL OF THE PLANETS IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM!! MUHAHAHAHahahaaaa!!!

              ... er back when Pluto was still considered a planet! Was Pluto ever really considered a celestial body by the creators of the zodiacs or was it an add on when we hooked up with the telescope? See the zodiac ppl had it right all along now didn't they?

              "Scorpio is ruled by the Planets Mars and Pluto. Mars was the God of War in ancient Roman mythology and is the first (and most ancient) ruler of Scorpio. When Pluto was discovered in the 20th century, it was also assigned to this Sign. Pluto was known as the God of the Underworld in ancient Roman times, so when coupled with Mars, expect some intense energy to head toward Scorpions here on Earth."

              They actually did...

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              • #17
                Re: What Do You Think About Horoscopes?

                The gravitational affect of other people near us is greater than other planets and stellar bodies. Just because they make calculations doesn't mean squat if they're based on things with no predictive value whatsoever.

                Barnum effect - check it out. We want to believe and so we do. They give us general predictions that can apply to anyone. Nothing impressive about that. This has been demonstrated countless times. I've done this myself in class. I've handed out horoscopes labeled incorrectly or given the same one to everyone and asked if it was accurate (like lamb described above). Majority will say yes.
                It's a con, plain and simple. Same as psychics. Grrrr.... I hate pseudoscience (paranormal crap, parapsych, and other bullxxxx) with a passion.

                Originally posted by skepdic
                The Barnum effect is the name given to a type of subjective validation in which a person finds personal meaning in statements that could apply to many people.

                For example:

                You have a need for other people to like and admire you, and yet you tend to be critical of yourself. While you have some personality weaknesses you are generally able to compensate for them. You have considerable unused capacity that you have not turned to your advantage. At times you have serious doubts whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing.

                If these statements sound like they came from a newsstand astrology book, that may be because they did. Such statements are sometimes called Barnum statements and they are an effective element in the repertoire of anyone doing readings: astrologers, palm readers, psychics, rumpologists and so on.

                If the statements appear on a personality inventory that one believes has been especially prepared for you alone, one often validates the accuracy of such statements and thereby gives validity to the instrument used to arrive at them. If Barnum statements are validated when they have originated during a psychic reading, the validation is taken as also validating the psychic powers of the medium.

                "Barnum effect" is an expression that seems to have originated with psychologist Paul Meehl, in deference to circus man P. T. Barnum's reputation as a master psychological manipulator who is said to have claimed "we have something for everybody."

                Lamb - if you liked Randi, be sure to check out his website at randi.org and skeptic.com. Michael Shermer is awesome. You'd enjoy some of his books too. If you liked Randi's presentation, I'd recommend "Why People Believe Weird Things" to start.
                [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
                -Henry Ford[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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                • #18
                  Re: What Do You Think About Horoscopes?

                  Originally posted by Siggie
                  Lamb - if you liked Randi, be sure to check out his website at randi.org and skeptic.com. Michael Shermer is awesome. You'd enjoy some of his books too. If you liked Randi's presentation, I'd recommend "Why People Believe Weird Things" to start.
                  Thnx Siggie! Bookmarked his site. He's awesome! Really sheds light on all those old and odd phenomenon’s that ppl choose to believe in and unlike Penn and Teller he does it and remains respectable at the same time. Thnx again Sig!

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                  • #19
                    Re: What Do You Think About Horoscopes?

                    Originally posted by karoaper
                    I personally believe not in horoscope but in hororscope. For example, my (and every other soul's) horrorscope predicts that sometimes in the near or far future, I will have pain, suffering and some horror. Dead on.
                    Well, at least be glad you don't rely on the whore-o-scope.
                    this post = teh win.

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                    • #20
                      Re: What Do You Think About Horoscopes?

                      I have a very good idea about Horoscop and I believe in them. Some of them are really good.

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