Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

[jgk3]

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alright, I actually enjoyed this format of information oslonor, even though it's out of context with anything to do with Armenia.

[Lucin]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

alright, I actually enjoyed this format of information oslonor, even though it's out of context with anything to do with Armenia.

Seriously, what did you enjoy, jgk3? His posted misinformation, lie and propaganda on Iran? By talking/ responding to "him" you are just giving the Turkish robot a chance to spew further his nonsense and are simply entertaining "him".

By the way, 'triple-clicking' on a word would highlight the paragraph.

[jgk3]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

I tried it, it highlights a whole line, that's pretty cool.

Actually, I am curious about the modern usage of the name of Iran and where it came from, so if you have contrary information please tell me.

[oslonor]

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Seriously, what did you enjoy, jgk3? His posted misinformation, lie and propaganda on Iran? By talking/ responding to "him" you are just giving the Turkish robot a chance to spew further his nonsense and are simply entertaining "him".

Mr. Lucin: Instead of admitting your past mistakes and presenting Iranians as Persians, you should admit now your mistakes and tell armenians that Iranians are actually the same Azeri Turks as the in the Republic. Also you should apologize to people for misleading armenians.

Your comments are similar to a funny story:

A guy was looking for something in a dark street under some lights. A passerby asked "May I help you? What are you looking for?" The first guy said I dropped my keys on the other side of the street and I am looking here for my keys. The passerby said "Then you should look on the other side of the street". The first guy said " I know, but the other side of the street is dark. There is light here".

We are presenting the Persian point of view. Mr. Lucin attacks Pan Turks. What does Pan Turks have to do with us. Mr. Lucin prefers the part of the street that has lights. Mr. Lucin does not know anything about the dark side of the street.

[jgk3]

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where do you get your font from?

[Lucin]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

I tried it, it highlights a whole line, that's pretty cool.

Actually, I am curious about the modern usage of the name of Iran and where it came from, so if you have contrary information please tell me.

"Modern" usage? Iran (the current one or the Greater Iran) has always been called/ known as Iran by the Iranians. And it's not a fake identity as Nonor suggests. Now, foreigners have also called it Persia (in English) or La Perse (in French) but not in Farsi, actually the word Persia or Persian (refering to the ethnicity) does not exist in Farsi. We simply say; Iran and Irani (Iranian).

Interestingly, the Ossetians also call themselves 'Irani' in their language which is an Iranian one too with an accent close to Kurdish-Iranian.

[Vrtanes]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Azeris are Turks, not Iranians. even Turks if you ask them to listen to 'Azeri language' they say they can understand it perfectly except for some extra loan words, mostly from Russian.

Azeris are Turks

[oslonor]

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"Modern" usage? Iran (the current one or the Greater Iran) has always been called/ known as Iran by the Iranians. And it's not a fake identity as Nonor suggests. Now, foreigners have also called it Persia (in English) or La Perse (in French) but not in Farsi, actually the word Persia or Persian (refering to the ethnicity) does not exist in Farsi. We simply say; Iran and Irani (Iranian).

Interestingly, the Ossetians also call themselves 'Irani' in their language which is an Iranian one too with an accent close to Kurdish-Iranian.

We are discussing Azeri Turks. Mr. Lucin draws in Ossetians and Kurds!!!! I will discuss Ossetians some other time. But Ossetians call themselves Iron and not Iranian. Secondly some of the Ossetians are actually Turks. Stalin was an Ossetian and he was turk. This is the real reason Azeri Turks are interested in Ossetians.

Also it is funny that "Iranian" as was used in 18 century Europe was not to describe an ethnicity. It was used to describe somebody who speaks an "Iranian" language. In other words Kurds are "Iranians" and Azeri Turks are not Iranian because they speak a non-Iranian language. Now Mr. Lucin makes it opposite. He includes Azeri Turks as Iranians and excludes Kurds as Iranians. Also Azeri Turks call Baloochs and Pashtoons who are Iranians "dravidians" and "africans" and all other kind of names and exlcude them as Iranian. Both Pashtoons and Balooch speak an Eastern Iranian language. Azeri Turks uses Iranian in the sense of ethnicity and not language which is how Europeans used it originally.

Quote: Lucin
Interestingly, the Ossetians also call themselves 'Irani' in their language which is an Iranian one too with an accent close to Kurdish-Iranian.

[oslonor]

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Azeris are Turks, not Iranians. even Turks if you ask them to listen to 'Azeri language' they say they can understand it perfectly except for some extra loan words, mostly from Russian.

Azeris are Turks

Yes. You are correct. Azeris are Turks.

The natives of Iran have abandoned the name "Iranian". They call themselves Persians, Kurds, Lurs etc. An Iranian is equal to an Azeri Turk nowadays.

[oslonor]

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"Modern" usage? Iran (the current one or the Greater Iran) has always been called/ known as Iran by the Iranians. And it's not a fake identity as Nonor suggests.

That is a lie. Iran was actually called Khorasan for 1000 years.

Now, foreigners have also called it Persia (in English) or La Perse (in French) but not in Farsi, actually the word Persia or Persian (refering to the ethnicity) does not exist in Farsi. We simply say; Iran and Irani (Iranian).

Persia is not an invention of Greeks or Foreigners. Persia, Pars, or Parsua comes from Old Persian language. Cyrus the Great says "I am a Persian, son of a Persian, of Aryan lineage". He does not say he is "Iranian".

Iranian is not used very much in Iran as it is a meaningless term. Iranian is used outside Iran to say I am an Iranian citizen. Within Iran nobody asks "are you Iranian?" That is a meaningless question. They ask are you Mazandarani, Gilani, Khorasani, Parsi, Kurd, Lur, Balooch etc. The region identifies the ethnicity.

What is funny is that Tehran is not associated with the natives. That is Tehran was an Azeri Turk village in 18 century. Nobody asks are you Tehrani, because Tehran is associated with Azeri Turks and not natives. Azeri Turks have recently started to talk about Tehran as if it is equal to other regions which have historical value. A Gilani goes back to the Parthian period. Same with Khorasani. They claim, Tehrani race, Tehrani ethnicity, Tehrani phenotype etc!!!!!! It is all laughed by the natives.

You should also note that denying the existence of Persians indicates the Genocide Agenda Azeri Turks have for the natives of Iran.