Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

[oslonor]

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any sources other than your blogs that support this claim?

The best source is the picture itself!!! Otherwise just visit any liberal xxx american forum. Liberal xxxs will violently attack you if you say something wrong about Ahmadinejad.

[jgk3]

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All the chart is saying is Azeri Turks are turks related to Anatolian turks. No reason to waste time to prove that!!! If you have any objection I would be glad to listen.

this just leads us back to the debate that Azeri Turks are not the same as Azeri Iranians

[oslonor]

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this just leads us back to the debate that Azeri Turks are not the same as Azeri Iranians

Actually it is opposite. It says Iranians are turks. If you have something to show, that is fine. But otherwise do not waste time. You will not get any response for nonsense.

[oslonor]

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The US Policy in Afghanistan

The US is following these objectives in Afghanistan

1. Control of Oil and Gas Pathways to world Markets
2. Control of Central Asia and Confrontation with Russia and China using "Islamic Fundamentalism" and Iranian Azeri Pan Turkism.

To carry out these policies the US tries to establish a presence in Afghanistan. The US tries to go beyond a military presence and establish itself in Afghanistan as a political force. In order to that it needs to reshape the Afghan society into social relations that is not dependent on a few political leaders but tries to have an independent social base in Afghanistan. This requires several social elements. Firstly it wants to elimnate tribalism and replace it with a strong central state. Secondly it also needs a nation balanced by two opposing forces. In other words it tries to create polarization in order to be able to act as an intermediary between these social forces. Thirdly it tries to disconnect Afghanistan from its historical past . A nation without a historical identity is easy to insult and control. Also Afghanistan is supposed to be "Uncivilized Moslem Nation" and it should be demarcated in an obvious way so it is not mistaken to be a "European Civilized State" and mixed up with civilized people.

In order to achieve these objectives The US policy is the following:

1. A Centralized State in Afghanistan

Centralization of state by subordination of tribal structure to the state. There are several methods used: Subordination of tribal structure to police, military or buying the tribal leaders or create a commanding relations with tribal leaders through terror and physical elimination of tribal leaders. A good example was a few months ago when 30-40 tribal leaders in North West Pakistan Tribal Area were murdered by Al-Qaida in Pakistan at one time. Al-Qaida is a US operation run by Azeri Turks in Iran on behalf of US.

Also intellectuals, Engineers, professionals, University teachers, journalist and other related categories are on the list to be eliminated. These jobs can be performed by others such Azeri turks or outsourced to some obedient groups. In Iraq 5000 highly educated people were just shot dead at their homes. This process has already started in Afghanistan and according to reports secret foreign intelligence groups together with local police are carrying out these murders. This is one of the reasons that they are trying to force afghans to abandon the Dari language in favor of Azeri Turk "Farsi" so barriers for Azeri turk entry into afghanistan is removed.

2. A New Nation-State: Tajik-Pashtoon State

The US tries to create a new nation state in Afghanistan. A nation state which is primarily composed of two "ethnicities". Afghanistan is going to be a "Tajik-Pashtoon" state. This will also prepare Afghanistan for later partitioning. They also have started talking about a "Persian-Pashtoon" state. This will prepare Afghanistan for an eventual incoporation into Iran. It is necessary to point out that there are no "Persians" in Afghanistan and Tajik ethnicity is a fake ethnicity too as it mixes "Dari speaking Turks with Dari speaking Bactrians" and call them "Tajiks". Persian is an ethnicity in Iran and just speaking Farsi does not necessarily make one Persian.

3. The Policy of Turkification of Afghanistan:

State Racial policy is a major task to be carried out in Afghanistan. The policy of Turkification of Afghanistan aims to create a "semi-Azeri Turk ethnicity" in Afghanistan and call it the Afghan Race. The "Afghan Race" will be connected to Iran, Iraq, Armenia and The Republic of Azerbaijan by a series of "Pseudo-Scientific" and Fraud Theories and will be called the "Iranian Race" which is supposed to span all these countries.

US foreign policy is based on the "Clash of Civilization" a theory by Mr. Huntington a leading member of US government. What is the "Clash of Civilization"?. It means that US divides people into two categories: The "Civilized" people and the "Uncivilized" people. The "Civilized" people are Americans and Europeans. The "Uncivilized" people are the Moslems. An innovation is this theory is that "Moslems" are regarded as some kind of ethnicity. That is "Moslem" is the name of an ethnicity!!!! This make it easier to deal with very diverse people in a simple way for the American and European public. So how does "Moslems ethnicity" look like? It looks like President Ahmadinejad.

Therefore US targets Afghanistan, Iraq and Armenia for Turkification. This policy is in progress in both Iraq and Armenia. As soon as US has a control over Afghanistan, large numbers of Azeri Turks from Iran will be moved into Afghanistan under different pretextes. Afghans will be told that you are not really Afghans and you are not related to ancient afghans. You are just a bunch of worthless Azeri turks. You can already now hear this from Pakistani posters who call Afghans all kind of names. Same stories have been told to Iraqis and Armenians now.

Who is going to implement these policies? Mr. Hekmatyar is a US favourite to succeed President Karzai. According to records released by US congress Mr. Hekmatyar was the main force that was supported by the CIA and Pakistan ISI under 80's-90's. He was also responsible for the export of Heroin from Afghanistan to Europe and US.

After the Taliban takeover in Afghanistan in 96 Hekmatyar went to Iran and received protection from Azeri Turks in Iran. Hekmatyar is involved both with Azeri Turks in Iran, Al-Qaida and The Republic of Azerbaijan criminal-mafia activities and in the war between Azerbaijan-Armenia. See the appendix below for details.

All kind of stories are made about Mr. Hekmatyar to make him look independent. Hekmatyar is connected to "KGB and Russians" is a fake story on this forum. Also Mr. Hekmatyar is on the "Black List" of CIA. And CIA is on the "Red List" of MR. Hekmatyar. Pan Turks in Iran will provide appropriate cover for Mr. Hekmatyar and turn him into "Anti-Imperialist" and "Anti-Colonialist".

What is Mr. Hekmatyar job? Condi Rice, US secretary of State, defined Mr. Hekmatyar job some weeks ago. She stated "Bombings in Iraq will help with the creation of a new nation state in Iraq". As a President of Afghanistan, MR. Hekmatyar will start bombing Afghans until they accept they are "Tajiks" and "Pashtoons" who will take orders from Americans. This is based on a previous model from Iraq. In Iraq this model is called Suni-Shia model. In Iran this model is called "Iranian" vs. "Moslem" model. Azeri Turks are supposed to be "Iranians". The natives of Iran are supposed to be the "Moslems". Bombings will force those identities on ordinary people.

Mr. Hekmatyar is a second version of Mughtada Al Sadr which has been tested in Iraq and is going to be used for Afghanistan now. Mr. Hekmatyar is also supposed to eliminate tribalism from Afghanistan by murdering most of the tribal leaders. Another task is to subordinate woman to the policy of Turkification by stoning, seeghah or temporary marriages, and open prostitution and sex-slavery and other methods. These methods have already been tested in Iran and it is going to be exported to Afghanistan. This way the policy of turkification is speeded up as US is in a hurry to get control of oil resources.

Hekmatyar will be dumped by the Americans when he has performed his tasks as Mughtada Al-Sadr was dumped. Mr. Hekmatyar assuming office as the President of Afghanistan was delayed because the assasination attempt on Karzai failed. But as Pakistani generals have stated :"Karzai is the root of instability in Afghanistan and he should go."

In summary Afghanistan is going toward slavery planned by US for its oil interest. Our view is this: Afghans should make a stand today. Tomorrow is too late.

More Here:

The Rise of Afghan Empire
http://afghanempire.blogspot.com

[yerazhishda]

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The best source is the picture itself!!! Otherwise just visit any liberal xxx american forum. Liberal xxxs will violently attack you if you say something wrong about Ahmadinejad.

Because we all know xxxs love Holocaust-deniers that vow to destroy Israel.

[oslonor]

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What is Iranian????

Azeri Turks use the term Iranian a lot. But does it mean the same thing to everybody. As we will see the term Iranian means entirely different thing to different ethnicities.

The concept of nationality such as French, German or Swede has taken hundred of years to develop. There has not been such a development in Iran as production relations are still very backward. So Iranian is not the same thing as German or French or even American in Iran.

The link that the natives of Iran were related in the pre-Islamic period was Zoarastrian religion. Kurd, Baluch Persians and other natives were linked with a common Zoarastrian religion. Islam introduced a higher level into this identity and it was called Moslem. That is even non-Zoarastrians were related to the natives of Iran as moslems. Islam did not replace the Zoarastrian identity but simply introduced a higher level of idenity above the natives identity.

The term "Iranian" did not exist in Iran until 18 century which it was introduced to Iran by the Azeri Turks who wanted to include themselves in hisotry and cultural identity of the natives of Iran. "Iranian" identity did not exist until 18 century despite the term "Iran" existed since ancient time. These two terms "Iran" and "Iranian" have entirely different meanings and implications.

Azeri Turks believe that simply because the term "Iran" has existed then there must have been Iranians which is entirely wrong.

"Iran Zamin" was used by Ferdowsi around 10 century A.D. in his book Shahnameh. But countrary to what Azeri Turks claim, Ferdowsi was refering to "Iran Zamin" as Tous (khorasan) Balkh, Kabul, Herat, Kandahar (Afghanistan) and Samarkhand and Bukhara (Uzbekistan). He never mentions Tehran, Azerbaijan or Isfahan or Tabriz as "Iran-Zamin"

When the term "Iranian" was introduced in 18 century by Azeri Turks in Iran, the natives simply replaced "Moslem" with "Iranian". Formally "Iranian" means the citizen of Iran. Anybody can be "Iranian" regardless of ethnicity. So contrary to what Azeri Turks claim, Iranian does not mean "the ancient Iranian aryan tribes such as Persians, Parthians, Bactrians, Sogdians, Scythians etc".

The term "Iranian" as "citizens of Iran" was turned into "Iranian Race". This way Azeri Turks included themselves into a non-existant "Iranian Race". Also "Iranian Race" became an agenda for Azeri Turks and Azeri Turks have started massive migration into non-azeri areas of Iran in order to creat their "Iranian Race".

Also Azeri Turks falsified Persian History and changed the term "Persian Empire" into "Iranian Empire". This way Azeri Turks became participants in an imaginary history of Iran.

Similary Azeri Turks do not have the concept of "Iranian" in their Azeri culture. What they replaced was not even Moslem identity but their own Azeri Turk Tribal identity that was replaced with the term "Iranian". So to Azeri Turks "Iranian" means an Azeri Turk member of "Azeri Turk Tribe". In Azeri Turk cultural identity the concept of "Moslem" does not even exist as they regard other Moslems as alien to their culture. This is despite all their claims to be Shia. Most of their Shiaism is theatrical show and they do not believe in anything beyond their azeri turk tribe. On this shows they go even to extreme with Shia ceremonies such as flogging and injuring themselves with sharp objects in order to impress the audience that they are really Moslems. Ordinary Moslems do not need this kind of behaviour to convince others that they are moslems.

Azeri Turks are not Moslems has been reported by Ottoman Turks, Afghans, and Arab sources for hundreds of years but nobody has been able to prove it. It was based mostly on strange rituals and ceremonies held by Azeri Turk shiaism and forced nature of converting people into Shia religion in direct contradiction with the traditions of Islam.

Concepts such as as German, French and British or American requires high level of industrial, social and capitalist development which is not the case with Iran.

For Azeri Turks "Iranian" is a race which they are a member of that race. That race is an Azeri Turkish race with Oghuz Turks as their origin. By "Iranian" they mean Azeri Turk tribe. That is Iranian. Anybody who is included in their Azeri Turk tribe is considered "Iranian". Others are aliens to the "Iranian" tribe. Therefore most people in Iran actually are not "Iranian" to Azeri Turks. They are part of an alien race that Azeri Turks can use, exploit, rob, steal, jail and murder.

That is the reason that most of the security forces, basijs and hezbollah in Iran are actually Azeri Turks. They show no sympathy on any natives of Iran and freely shoot on people without any concern. The only place they are careful is Tehran and Azerbaijan. "Iranian" is used as a cover for Azeri Turks to hide behind and cheat and rob other people who are not aware of the real meaning of Iranian to Azeri Turks.

To the natives of Iran, "Iranian" is not really the citizen of Iran but it is an equal concept of Moslem. For the natives of Iran, a Iraqi, a Anatolian Turk, Afghan or Turkmen or Arab are as "Iranian" as anybody else. They show the same respect to these people as they were natives of Iran. They look at other natives of Iran not as "Iranian" but as Kurd, Lur, Khorasani, Mashhadi, Shirazi, Gilani and Mazandarani , Kermani etc.

And this the secret to the power of Azeri Turks in Iran. They use the term "Iranian" to cheat and rob the natives of Iran of all their resources. Natives of Iran are not aware of the true meaning of "Iranian" to these Azeri Turks.

What has created an enormous problem for Azeri Turks is that the natives of Iran has started to use the term Persian which excludes Azeri Turks from the "Iranian" identity. The term "Persian" has started to undermine the whole regime and has created a mass movement against the regime as another type of identity is developing in Iran which can make a distinction between an Azeri Turk and the natives of Iran. All the efforts of Azeri Turks to force themselves into the "Persian" identity has failed and it seems that they are not able to find any solutions. Some of them suggest changing the name of the country to "Persia". Other Azeri Turks have started to claim that the term "Persian" is a "CIA Conspiracy". Others try to associate the term "Persian" with xxxs or Parsees in India. In reality Parsees in India are not an ethnic group but a religous group as most of them have been integrated to the India society and very few left with their Persian ethnic identity.

[oslonor]

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President Ahmadinejad - Azeri Pan Turk

[oslonor]

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This is my picture when I was taking a class with University of KGB in Moscow. The course was "Introduction to Clandestine Operations".

I currently work for KGB although I am open to a career change for other intelligence agencies.

[robertik1]

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This is my picture when I was taking a class with University of KGB in Moscow. The course was "Introduction to Clandestine Operations".

I currently work for KGB although I am open to a career change for other intelligence agencies.

That pic is from the Matrix movies.

[oslonor]

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That pic is from the Matrix movies.

That movie is based on my life.