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  • #121
    Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

    No, Azerians are not Iranians, They are Oghuz Turks like Anatolian Turks but they are shii like Iranians... If they are Iranian why they speak Turkish????


    Oghuz Turks used Persia and Armenia as a bridge for Turks immigration to west. Some Oghuz Turks stayed on bridge , They accepted Shii-Islam because Iran Shahs had control over region, and Oughuz Turks changed their Islamic sectarians. Today they are Azerians, Not Iranians

    Iran govenment draws a politic, about supposing them as Iranian...It is similar Turkey's Kemalist politic, Turkish governmet accept Kurdish People as a Turk...But they are Kurdish and Azerian are Turkish and most of them know they are originally Turkic and rebeled many times against to Iran government.

    Also Turkmen,Uzbek, Anatolian Turk and Azerians are same thing all of them came from Oghuzs.

    Turks had already had relations with Persians and Sasanians before BC. We occupied Iran many times and ordered... Maybe that puzzled...

    If United States use them, Azerbejian's population will be nearly 30 millions. Bridge will appear and Armenia will be buffer between two Turkic states.

    And here is a important point,
    Panturkism firstly came up with between Azerians in 19. century. They created this ideology.But Anatolian Turks improved it
    Last edited by Kanki; 06-27-2008, 03:03 PM.

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    • #122
      Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

      Pan-turkism is going to die. After Artsakh, theres Nakhichevan.....

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      • #123
        Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

        Originally posted by Kanki View Post
        No, Azerians are not Iranians, They are Oghuz Turks like Anatolian Turks but they are shii like Iranians... If they are Iranian why they speak Turkish????


        Oghuz Turks used Persia and Armenia as a bridge for Turks immigration to west. Some Oghuz Turks stayed on bridge , They accepted Shii-Islam because Iran Shahs had control over region, and Oughuz Turks changed their Islamic sectarians. Today they are Azerians, Not Iranians

        Iran govenment draws a politic, about supposing them as Iranian...It is similar Turkey's Kemalist politic, Turkish governmet accept Kurdish People as a Turk...But they are Kurdish and Azerian are Turkish and most of them know they are originally Turkic and rebeled many times against to Iran government.

        Also Turkmen,Uzbek, Anatolian Turk and Azerians are same thing all of them came from Oghuzs.

        Turks had already had relations with Persians and Sasanians before BC. We occupied Iran many times and ordered... Maybe that puzzled...

        If United States use them, Azerbejian's population will be nearly 30 millions. Bridge will appear and Armenia will be buffer between two Turkic states.

        And here is a important point,
        Panturkism firstly came up with between Azerians in 19. century. They created this ideology.But Anatolian Turks improved it
        Yes. You are an Anatolian Turk and not familiar with Iran. I suggest you read the first post on this thread. There is no ethnicity in Iran called Iranian. It is a name used by Azeris.
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        • #124
          Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

          Originally posted by Kanki View Post
          Azeris, Turks, Turkmens , Uzbeks, Gagauzs and Nogays .... are all the same Turkic nation.
          They may have the same linguistic roots, but do you really believe that a Turkish person from Turkey has a whole lot in common with, say, an Uzbek or Turkmen? I think an Armenian would have more in common with them.

          I'm sure there is a lot of anti-Armenian propaganda being spread around in Turkic nations like Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, but it's nice to see that they haven't become ultra fascist, racist, and nationalistic like Turkey (for that to happen, they would need Kemalist, not pan-Turkic influence). There is even a museum dedicated to an Uzbek Armenian in Tashkent. Imagine a similar museum in Ankara.

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          • #125
            Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

            Originally posted by TomServo View Post
            They may have the same linguistic roots, but do you really believe that a Turkish person from Turkey has a whole lot in common with, say, an Uzbek or Turkmen? I think an Armenian would have more in common with them.

            I'm sure there is a lot of anti-Armenian propaganda being spread around in Turkic nations like Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, but it's nice to see that they haven't become ultra fascist, racist, and nationalistic like Turkey (for that to happen, they would need Kemalist, not pan-Turkic influence).
            Panturkism is not racism or fascism. Also Kemal Atatürk was a Panturkist too, according to it, all Turks unites in a one country- but not killing other ethnic groups or banning their cultural activities.
            Modern Panturkism idea wants to create an Union like EU but with only Turkic States.



            However
            Some idiot racist Turks deflect this idea, they are also not muslim they believe Tengrism which is kind of Shamanism it was before the Islam...They are in space of time and named themselves as "Atsızcılar "- followers of Hüseyin Nihal Atsız....They also hate other nations and see Turkic race as superior race, it is so stupidly and not real Panturkism

            So you know Panturkism as a racist movement, cause of this stupid racist group !!!!

            I am a real Panturkist not racist... and I want and hope good relations between Turkey and Armenia and too see opened border .. I am not enemy for Armenian people.
            Last edited by Kanki; 06-28-2008, 01:41 AM.

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            • #126
              Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

              This xxxx has gone for two long now, you talk about Azeris but there are two Azeris. The real ones living in Iran and the Turks who stole the name living in the fake country Azerxxxxxan. Every one here knows there isn't a ethnicity called Iranian, there are many living in Iran persain azeris..., but like in Belgium there are Flemish and Walloons but they call themself Belgians. The same is with Iran it's just modern name calling. The name Iran is what persians call themself the name comes from WWII Hitler asked the Shah if the world could call Persia by the name the people call themself. Go and learn the ancient history of the region and stop BS that you're a secret agent or something lol

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              • #127
                Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

                Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
                Go and learn the ancient history of the region and stop BS that you're a secret agent or something lol
                What a paranoia ! I am 19 younger than you ! What a fun!
                I know region's name better than you. But I want o speak today's condition ....All Iran's citizens that I am saying Iranian

                Shii muslim Oghuz Turks called " Azerian " ok ? Anatolian Turks ,Uzbeks and Turkmens are not Shii... Azerians are only closer Persians by religion factor. In the other hand they have still Turkic culture, and language

                I have many Azerian friends from Tebriz and they say " We are Turk "
                There are no two Azerian, There is one and Turk.

                Okay, I suppose you are right ! How can you explain why Azerians rebeled Iran ??? And why they can still speak Turkish even they live in Persia ??????
                Last edited by Kanki; 06-28-2008, 05:37 AM.

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                • #128
                  Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

                  Originally posted by Kanki View Post
                  What a paranoia ! I am 19 younger than you ! What a fun!
                  I know region's name better than you. But I want o speak today's condition ....All Iran's citizens that I am saying Iranian

                  Shii muslim Oghuz Turks called " Azerian " ok ? Anatolian Turks ,Uzbeks and Turkmens are not Shii... Azerians are only closer Persians by religion factor. In the other hand they have still Turkic culture, and language

                  I have many Azerian friends from Tebriz and they say " We are Turk "
                  There are no two Azerian, There is one and Turk.

                  Okay, I suppose you are right ! How can you explain why Azerians rebeled Iran ??? And why they can still speak Turkish even they live in Persia ??????
                  And my post was directed towards the sarter of the thread.
                  I sugest you read Hellektor's thread about Azeris you'll learn many new things. And the Azeris from Azerbajan are Turkish Tartars nothing more so there are two azeris. One living in Iran and most of them don't want any to do with turkey and the tartars living in Azerbajan.

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                  • #129
                    Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

                    Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
                    This xxxx has gone for two long now, you talk about Azeris but there are two Azeris. The real ones living in Iran and the Turks who stole the name living in the fake country Azerxxxxxan. Every one here knows there isn't a ethnicity called Iranian, there are many living in Iran persain azeris..., but like in Belgium there are Flemish and Walloons but they call themself Belgians. The same is with Iran it's just modern name calling. The name Iran is what persians call themself the name comes from WWII Hitler asked the Shah if the world could call Persia by the name the people call themself. Go and learn the ancient history of the region and stop BS that you're a secret agent or something lol
                    You sound like an Azeri From Iran despite your name. I represent the Persians and we do not know any Persian Azeris. Similar to say "Russian Azeris". Russians or Persians have nothing to do with Azeris. Azeri and Iranians are the same people.

                    Both Azeris in the Republic of Azerbaijan and in Iran are Dinaric Alpine in terms of physical anthropology. They speak the same language and have the same culture. So both are Azeris and you can not just make some stories and deny it.

                    Whatever the name of the country Iran, the Persian ethnicity exist in Iran and has nothing to do with the name of the country. Persians are different people from Azeri Turks. You are claiming that if the name of the country changes then Azeri turks and Persians become the same people!!!!!
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                    • #130
                      Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

                      Originally posted by oslonor View Post
                      You sound like an Azeri From Iran despite your name. I represent the Persians and we do not know any Persian Azeris. Similar to say "Russian Azeris". Russians or Persians have nothing to do with Azeris. Azeri and Iranians are the same people.

                      Both Azeris in the Republic of Azerbaijan and in Iran are Dinaric Alpine in terms of physical anthropology. They speak the same language and have the same culture. So both are Azeris and you can not just make some stories and deny it.


                      You are in wrong!

                      My advice for you, (Oslonor)

                      Open a Azeri channel on TV. Listen it after that open Iran channel and Turkish channel... Which one are same with Azerians language, decide !

                      I can understand 99% azerian language because it is a kind of Turkish

                      Also Anatolian Turks/Turkey Turks ınclude (nearly) %7 Crimean Tatars %17 Azerians %2 Ahiskia %2 Nogays %57 Turkmens and 15% is other Turkic origins.


                      And I am Turkmen origin,
                      In Turkish, All the Turkic origins are called Turk, according to it I am a Turk
                      Last edited by Kanki; 06-28-2008, 01:57 PM.

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